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Bohemian, "lefty" free range middle class parenting really just lazy neglectful parenting jazzed up?

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Naturelover5 · 02/08/2022 16:12

In my three dc's classes we have some of these bohemian, creative lefty parents.. The children are unkempt, scruffy, hair undone & dressed without fail in mismatched clothes... Some of the children have very questionable manners & are either running amock or with their heads glued to screens constantly (as seen on holiday recently, loud obnoxious parents quaffing seccy while the kids were largely ignored).. If council estate kids were dirty, scruffy & looked uncared for social services would be called.. For this particular group (& they are everywhere) the barefoot, scruffy kids are seen as badges of honour..
The lefty parent types are also very anti homework & organised activities outside school as they think kids should be kids however aibu to think they are just lazy & couldn't be arsed putting the effort in?!

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Festoonlights · 02/08/2022 20:56

Brush is that way>>>>>>>>
And no amount of combing out nit infestations of several days or longer no matter lovingly will work.
However other children will find it enthralling watching them hatch in the maths class - it is ‘counting’ abd biology after all 😊

riceuten · 02/08/2022 20:57

Transl. = "I voted for Boris and want to bring back grammar schools"

Festoonlights · 02/08/2022 21:01

Kinda enjoying this thread 😂
Especially after a particularly enlightening evening in southern France and one ‘feral/ freeee range /fucking rude newly adorned teenager said to a French waiter to improve his bloody English! In perfect French! After that I pretended to be Russian 🫥

MrsIsobelCrawley · 02/08/2022 21:09

The children are unkempt, scruffy, hair undone & dressed without fail in mismatched clothes... Some of the children have very questionable manners & are either running amock
very anti homework & organised activities outside school as they think kids should be kids however aibu to think they are just lazy & couldn't be arsed putting the effort in?!

Mismatched clothes? Unkempt, scruffy, hair undone?

Do they also have mismatched Lulu Lyttle wallpaper and sofas?

Did they completely ignored lockdown rules and quaff wine and 'seccy' at parties throughout?

Indeed, I have come across their ilk:
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Bohemian, "lefty" free range middle class  parenting really just lazy neglectful parenting jazzed up?
LadyRoughDiamond · 02/08/2022 21:10

FML It’s posts like this that make me despair that we’ll have a Conservative government forever. The constant demonising of anything unsavoury as ‘lefty’ means this country will put up with any old right-wing nonsense so long as it protects them from shudder the dreaded ‘lefties’.

Dummycrusher · 02/08/2022 21:11

I worry that my daughter looks scruffy because her hair is wild. Anyone know how to tame curly hair on a three year old?

misses point

Naturelover5 · 02/08/2022 21:11

Siepie · 02/08/2022 18:11

She sounds hypocritical, but what on earth does that have to do with the child neglect in your OP?

Her kids are filthy, always dirty, hair unbrushed & always barefoot... To me this is neglect... It takes two minutes to comb a kids hair & wash it's face... Her kids are old enough to do it themselves.. Also routinely not dressed for the weather.. But she's quick enough to judge others on their choice of cutlery for a school picnic while her family is clocking up the air miles around Europe & America, not the "eco warrior" she claims they are!

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JudgeJ · 02/08/2022 21:12

MissyB1 · 02/08/2022 16:18

They probably aren’t “lefty” at all. I suspect they probably vote Tory.

Just as stupid as saying they're lefty, but crack on palming anything you don't like on the terrible tories if it appeases you sense of faux-superiority!

Juancornetto · 02/08/2022 21:12

I don't know what class I am but I know how to pick my battles. DD is a nightmare about clothes and having her hair brushed so I pretty much let her wear whatever peculiar ensemble she comes up with that day and insist on a good hair brushing probably every other day. She spends a lot of her life looking like a scruffy urchin. Manners aren't negotiable. So though she's scruffy she's really pleasant to be around.
Homework's a battle so I make her do the easy stuff, have limits on screen time and make sure there are lots of books around the house to read and she gets the chance to try activities outside of school. Her last school report was excellent. Good lord, being a mother is hard enough without worrying about being perfect at every single aspect! Good enough is good enough from my POV

Cocolatte24 · 02/08/2022 21:16

SleeplessInEngland · 02/08/2022 16:20

You ok, hun?

Is there anything more irritating than this vacuous Mrs Hinch follower / Towie comment 🙄

Nothing says ‘I follow the sheep’ like ‘You okay, hun?’

Louise0701 · 02/08/2022 21:20

@neverbeenskiing are you joking?

how do you know when someone votes labour? They mention it within the first 5 mins of meeting them.

SnackSizeRaisin · 02/08/2022 21:21

Fairislefandango · 02/08/2022 18:41

I've been a teacher for over 25 years in a pretty wide variety of schools. Let's just say that the stereotypes painted on this thread, relating certain social classes and lifestyles to the good or poor behaviour of kids does not at all tie in with what I've witnessed in the classroom or outside it.

You mean that working class children tend to be worse behaved than middle class. Yes obviously. I don't know why people are trying to argue otherwise

SnackSizeRaisin · 02/08/2022 21:25

Fraaahnces · 02/08/2022 18:51

Bet they’re anti-Vax too

Middle class children have much higher vaccine uptake than working class. Not due to any kind of anti Vax ideology but just because of boring reasons like no transport to the clinic, worried they will be judged, not educated enough to understand the importance of vaccines, too many other problems for it to be a priority

SnackSizeRaisin · 02/08/2022 21:29

Thepeopleversuswork · 02/08/2022 18:59

This is definitely true to an extent. However, behind the superficial scruffiness and casualness the mc parents usually are making an effort with their dc (contrary to what the OP said) by giving them the cultural capital and help to succeed (including with their homework, whether the parents agree with in principle or not).

Indeed. And in fact the "superficial scruffiness" is not neglect in most cases. It's a studied kind of scruffiness which is a deliberate class marker. Children being too "primped" as my mother used to say is regarded as being dreadfully lower middle class.

In the town where I grew up affluent people went out of their way to look as scruffy as possible because they thought it made them look intellectuals. Dressing smartly, let alone glamorously, was thought to be a bit vulgar and common. It's a very stealthy way of looking down on people on behalf of people who claim not to look down on anyone because it is a) almost undetectable and b) plausibly deniable.

Also these parents may not be spending much on clothes but you can be damn sure they will be spending that money liberally on piano lessons, coaching, expensive holidays in the quieter parts of the Greek islands etc.

Haha! I can assure you there's no effort involved in looking scruffy. Or at least there's effort put in to ensure the clothes aren't even scruffier. And obviously any decent parent would put holidays and music lessons ahead of dressing young children in expensive clothes. The former benefits the child, the latter is just for the parent's vanity.

Christmasfun2022 · 02/08/2022 21:32

mismatched clothes?! I don’t see matching clothes as a badge of good parenting, do you mean tops and bottoms matching? Or kids matching eachother?

SnackSizeRaisin · 02/08/2022 21:33

Naturelover5 · 02/08/2022 21:11

Her kids are filthy, always dirty, hair unbrushed & always barefoot... To me this is neglect... It takes two minutes to comb a kids hair & wash it's face... Her kids are old enough to do it themselves.. Also routinely not dressed for the weather.. But she's quick enough to judge others on their choice of cutlery for a school picnic while her family is clocking up the air miles around Europe & America, not the "eco warrior" she claims they are!

Meanwhile she's judging you on your bad grammar... We can all indulge in a bit of enjoyable superiority

Scottishskifun · 02/08/2022 21:35

What does mismatched clothes look like? I mean my 3 year old decides what clothes he wants to wear sometimes that's a pair or rainbow tights (they are supposed to be a underplayed to keep him warm in winter) and a yellow t-shirt other times that's a hoody with shorts. Does that make me reportable to SS???🙄

MangyInseam · 02/08/2022 21:36

Pruella · 02/08/2022 20:34

I think maybe it is supposed to suggest a disinterest in expensive consumer goods and conventions.

Or they genuinely aren’t interested in children’s clothes? Seems a stretch to me that they artfully cultivate scruffiness.

No, I don't think that's it at all. It's almost an aesthetic. Like a clothing version of heroin chic.

Kids whose parents are really uninterested in kids clothes tend to wear pretty bland stuff that's cheap and easily available.

MangyInseam · 02/08/2022 21:40

Dummycrusher · 02/08/2022 21:11

I worry that my daughter looks scruffy because her hair is wild. Anyone know how to tame curly hair on a three year old?

misses point

Have you ever tried using a detangler spray?

Jalisco · 02/08/2022 21:40

Naturelover5 · 02/08/2022 16:12

In my three dc's classes we have some of these bohemian, creative lefty parents.. The children are unkempt, scruffy, hair undone & dressed without fail in mismatched clothes... Some of the children have very questionable manners & are either running amock or with their heads glued to screens constantly (as seen on holiday recently, loud obnoxious parents quaffing seccy while the kids were largely ignored).. If council estate kids were dirty, scruffy & looked uncared for social services would be called.. For this particular group (& they are everywhere) the barefoot, scruffy kids are seen as badges of honour..
The lefty parent types are also very anti homework & organised activities outside school as they think kids should be kids however aibu to think they are just lazy & couldn't be arsed putting the effort in?!

My "lefty" parents were very creative, because we couldn't afford not to be. We definitely had mismatched clothes because that was what we could afford. They definitely weren't anti-homework. Quite the opposite. But we certainly went to a scruffy school with scruffy kids because in poor areas in the 1960's / 70's that was what it was. Still is I think. But we all turned out illiterate oafs of course. I only have four postgraduate degrees. My brother only own a national media company. My sister only served her country before going on to serve in the police.

All of us have one thing in common. We really despise judgemental Tory middle class *** who think they are better than everyone else.

Watchthesunrise · 02/08/2022 21:44

I definitely know a lot of carefully crafted 'eco' families in which the children are deliberately scruffy. The kids never get their faces washed and always have snot. Badly matched clothes is like a badge of honour.

These are definitely middle class, educated people who want to send a signal about how right-on they are.

Watchthesunrise · 02/08/2022 21:46

It's a tick-list


  • sling

  • co-sleep

  • extended bf

  • PlayCentre

  • Vegan/Vegetarian

  • Filthy house

  • Judgemental AF about everyone else

  • Whingy brat kids who never get told off

Watchthesunrise · 02/08/2022 21:48

Oh and if your kid is gay or genderqueer that gives you extra extra cred. Making long hair on boys very fashionable indeed.

FunnyTalks · 02/08/2022 21:48

You are BU to assume all creative people have a MC background.

What is actually wrong with miss matched clothes and occasional bare feet? And some hair looks scruffy due to the texture. I don't agree with gender stereotypes so if my curly sons want longer hair I let them. I think there is enough time before death to worry about wearing suits and hair gel that I don't need to impose it when they're young.

Laziness on holiday though? Guilty as charged.

Grendalsmum · 02/08/2022 21:50

You really seem to have a grudge against this woman OP ... You weren't the hapless innocent who brought the plastic fork to the picnic, were you?