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To feel angry at Tory voters?

740 replies

Dottodo · 02/08/2022 00:52

DF has always voted Tory. He’s very anti immigration and we will never see each other’s POV.
DHs friends are all Tory voters and hate being with them as they are all racist, xenophobic & misogynistic.
Other Tory voters I know through work or extended family members are also xenophobic and casually racist.
I’ve spoken to friends about this and they agree that the Tory voters they personally know are also racist and xenophobic.
Why is this?
Me and DH lived abroad and as we've lived as ‘foreigners’, we don’t share their views.

OP posts:
Itdoesntreallymatter · 02/08/2022 10:33

djdkdkddkek · 02/08/2022 10:20

as usual Tory voters considered racist and sexist and apparently anyone who votes to tbe left is a “good person”
typical shit

Rotherham was a labour borough, was it not? The mass rape and abuse of young girls by a certain group of people. No one helped because they didn’t want to be seen as racist. Some kids considered prostitutes… I’m sure many of the people who turned a blind eye, blamed the young girls and covered it up were those “good people” who vote labour top

That's a bit of a weird accusation. How the hell would you know how the people handling those cases voted? That is just an assumption based on stereotypes of public sector workers. Yes they made huge mistakes, but I don't think who they voted for had anything to do with it.

AndreaC74 · 02/08/2022 10:34

completelyunderwhelmed · 02/08/2022 10:29

Well, quite. Roll over women, step in and sort out what is ENTIRELY an issue with MALE violence.

Prisons and the NHS should be funded to the level that keeps women safe, it is not and that is down to the current Govt, they are the ones placing trans women in male Prisons not Labour.

ilovesooty · 02/08/2022 10:36

Midnightblack · 02/08/2022 04:34

When I say ‘all’, I mean the ones currently in the Commons. I have a lot of time for Heseltine, Major, Clarke and Grieve. But they begged us not to vote this lot in, stating that they were more like the BNP. I think they were right.

Agreed.

BerryBerryBerryBerry · 02/08/2022 10:38

All this teenage angst and hatred towards tories makes me so happy to be a Conservative voter. Its 2022, not 1985. Just grow up. And like so many people have noticed, the spewing of bike from the left wing harpies is shocking and amusing.

completelyunderwhelmed · 02/08/2022 10:39

AndreaC74 · 02/08/2022 10:34

Prisons and the NHS should be funded to the level that keeps women safe, it is not and that is down to the current Govt, they are the ones placing trans women in male Prisons not Labour.

But you said we needed to take responsibility for men attacking men in prison?

The Tories have very recently started to dismantle the impact of Stonewall etc, who have pervaded our public sector by stealth (because they're just so 'nice' and 'tolerant', people didn't notice). Labour persist in the TWAW line STILL. Are you suggesting that Labour would move to ensure hospital wards and prisons are single SEX and gender is to be disregarded. That's not the line they've been towing.

StoneofDestiny · 02/08/2022 10:42

Labour have lost my vote as they don't know what a woman is. They're forcing labour voters to the right with their misogynist far left politics. As a life long labour voter my next vote is Tory. At least they have the balls to stand up to woke identify politics

yes, fantastic idea to vote for a Tory Party that appears to worship a convicted criminal, compulsive liar that lies to the voters and to Parliament, and judging by the number of affairs he has, clearly lies to the women in his life.

MarshaBradyo · 02/08/2022 10:43

FourTeaFallOut · 02/08/2022 10:32

If only you could fuel the country with the amount of righteous indignation that is washing around this place. Is anyone ever just a bit miffed, slightly concerned or a tad annoyed anymore? Just straight to full anger and hatred with all the emotional intelligence of your average stropping toddler.

Full tilt anger powering mn

At the same time an argument lost somewhere..

JosephineGH · 02/08/2022 10:45

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StoneofDestiny · 02/08/2022 10:46

As for Johnson's and Tories view of women .........this is from The Guardian and Johnson's own mouth.....

"He has insisted everyone should be treated with “respect and dignity”, spending this week’s Tory party conference reaffirming his commitment to women’s rights, but Boris Johnson has a long history of making less-than-respectful comments about women.

Just pat her on the bottom and send her on her way
Writing his valedictory as editor of the Spectator, Johnson made the following reference to Kimberly Quinn, then the publisher of the magazine:

Relax. It’s only Kimberly, with some helpful suggestions for boosting circulation. Just pat her on the bottom and send her on her way.
Tottymeter
In 1996, Johnson wrote an article for the Telegraph under the headline “Hot Totty is on the agenda as women start to scent victory”. He wrote:

The unanimous opinion is that what has been called the ‘Tottymeter’ reading is higher than at any Labour party conference in living memory.
Time and again the Tottymeter has gone off as a young woman delegate mounts the rostrum.”
Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts
In 2005, while campaigning to be the Conservative MP for Henley-on-Thames, Johnson is widely reported as saying:

Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and increase your chances of owning a BMW M3.
Malaysian women go to university to find a husband
Johnson was overheard joking that the increase in the number of women attending university in Malaysia was down to their desire to find a husband.

He made the remark at the launch of the World Islamic Economic Forum (WIEF) at City Hall, in London, where he appeared alongside the Malaysian prime minister, Najib Razak.

Asked about the role of women in Islamic societies, Razak said: “Before coming here, my officials have told me that the latest university intake in Malaysia, a Muslim country, 68% will be women entering our universities.”

Johnson interrupted him, suggesting the female students went to university because they:

… have got to find men to marry.

Laughter can be heard from audio from the meeting

Single mothers
In a column for the Spectator, written in 1995 under the headline “The male sex is to blame for the appalling proliferation of single mothers”, Johnson wrote:

I blame the male sex for the appalling proliferation of single mothers, to which John Redwood has correctly alluded, by which 500,000 women have chosen to marry the state.
J’accuse men of being responsible for a social breakdown which is costing us all, as taxpayers, £9.1bn per year, and which is producing a generation of ill-raised, ignorant, aggressive and illegitimate children who in theory will be paying for our pensions.
And he continues:

It is no use blaming uppity and irresponsible women for becoming pregnant in the absence of a husband. Given their natural desire to have babies, and the tininess of what the sociologist William Julius Wilson has called the ‘marriageable pool’, it is the only answer.
And then concludes:

Something must be found, first, to restore women’s desire to be married. That means addressing the feebleness of the modern Briton, his reluctance or inability to take control of his woman and be head of a household.
Opening her well-bred legs
In 2007, in a car review slot for GQ magazine, Johnson likened his experience driving a Ferrari F340 in Hampshire to a sexual encounter:

I seemed to be averaging a speed of X and then the M3 opened up before me, a long quiet Bonneville flat stretch, and I am afraid it was as though the whole county of Hampshire was lying back and opening her well-bred legs to be ravished by the Italian stallion.
Assortative mating
In a 2006 collection of journalism, entitled Have I Got Views for You, Johnson wrote about the increasing tendency of women to work, saying they had been “socially gestapoed into the workplace”. He wrote:

In the last 30 years an ever-growing proportion of British women have been ‘incentivised’ or socially gestapoed into the workplace, on what seems to me to be the dubious assumption that the harder a woman works the happier she will be, when I am not sure that is true of women or anyone else.
In the same book, he said an increasing number of female graduates tended to pair up with male graduates – a process known by economists as “assortative mating” – and that they then pool their advantages, which in turn pushes up house prices.

The colossal expansion in the numbers of female graduates is in many ways a marvellous thing; but it has boosted the well-documented process of assortative mating, by which middle-class graduates marry middle-class graduates and thereby entrench their economic advantages, pooling their graduate incomes to push up house prices and increase the barriers to entry for the rest.
The result is that in families on lower incomes the women have absolutely no choice but to work, often with adverse consequences for family life and society as a whole – in that unloved and undisciplined children are more likely to become hoodies, Neets [Not in education, employment, or training], and mug you on the street corner.

Girly swots and big girl’s blouses
Johnson referred to the former prime minister David Cameron as a “girly swot” in a recent cabinet paper, according to an unredacted version of court documents.

A handwritten note about the idea of suspending parliament for five weeks was initially revealed in 2019 by Downing Street as it resisted legal challenges in Edinburgh and London to the prorogation of parliament, both of which cases were eventually won by No 10.

This came after Johnson’s inaugural prime minister’s questions, during which he seemed to call the then opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn: "You great big girl’s blouse".

apintortwo · 02/08/2022 10:50

this is from The Guardian and Johnson's own mouth

Who cares what he may or may have not said. It's what they are actively doing now to reverse the damage that counts

Anothernamechangeplease · 02/08/2022 10:58

apintortwo · 02/08/2022 10:50

this is from The Guardian and Johnson's own mouth

Who cares what he may or may have not said. It's what they are actively doing now to reverse the damage that counts

Who cares?

Well, I do for one.

Anyone who reads the summary that @StoneofDestiny has posted above and believes that Johnson has even the slightest care for women's rights is frankly deluded.

And I would remind you that, regardless of the rhetoric about knowing what a woman is, all of the trans nonsense that we have seen over the last few years has taken place on a Tory watch.

Don't kid yourselves that they care about women. They don't give a toss.

DdraigGoch · 02/08/2022 11:04

Itdoesntreallymatter · 02/08/2022 10:33

That's a bit of a weird accusation. How the hell would you know how the people handling those cases voted? That is just an assumption based on stereotypes of public sector workers. Yes they made huge mistakes, but I don't think who they voted for had anything to do with it.

Because Labour councillors were in charge.

Midnightblack · 02/08/2022 11:06

Tories care about womens’ rights, my arse

To feel angry at Tory voters?
DdraigGoch · 02/08/2022 11:07

Anothernamechangeplease · 02/08/2022 10:58

Who cares?

Well, I do for one.

Anyone who reads the summary that @StoneofDestiny has posted above and believes that Johnson has even the slightest care for women's rights is frankly deluded.

And I would remind you that, regardless of the rhetoric about knowing what a woman is, all of the trans nonsense that we have seen over the last few years has taken place on a Tory watch.

Don't kid yourselves that they care about women. They don't give a toss.

I'm confident that the likes of Kemi Badenoch do care about the safety of women. KB has pushed a lot on this issue, despite obstruction from Stonewalled civil servants.

FourTeaFallOut · 02/08/2022 11:11

It's hatred and animosity that shuts down debate and fuels tribalism over critical thinking. Slinging shit at the opposition is very satisfying, I suppose, but then they move further away from you and the possibility of constructive conversations is lost.

I'm a Labour voter, or at least, I was - but I can't find a way to support their politics when it is led with the kind of dogmatism in which those who fall off script are hounded for their lack of purity. That doesn't sit comfortably with me.

Without changing my outlook, personality or priorities it seems I have been re-shuffled to the right and that has taken a little getting use to. I certainly don't think I'm more hateable now - as I consider whether I have more overlap with conservative voters than I was when I held my nose and voted for Labour in the last G.E.

But nobody is being served by this political landscape of hatred except the politicians who can achieve loyalty through tribalism rather than engaged conversations with the electorate.

Onlyhereforthebatshitneighbours · 02/08/2022 11:18

5 pages in and I'm still failing to see the disgusting vitriol some posters have accused others at throwing to Conservative supporters.

Can anyone direct me to one of these posts?

Don't have any issue with Conservative voters as a general group - they're not all one type of person after all - but I so seem to encounter a lot of self-proclaimed Conservatory voters who adopt a "Labour lovers spouting insults and slurs and hate, can't have a rational conversation with them" line when all that's happened - if anything- is that someone has disagreed with their point of view.

Maybe it's my peer group but I see much more hate directed Tories to Labour than I do the other way around.

Onlyhereforthebatshitneighbours · 02/08/2022 11:19

*Conservative

Auto correct 🙄

DdraigGoch · 02/08/2022 11:23

Onlyhereforthebatshitneighbours · 02/08/2022 11:18

5 pages in and I'm still failing to see the disgusting vitriol some posters have accused others at throwing to Conservative supporters.

Can anyone direct me to one of these posts?

Don't have any issue with Conservative voters as a general group - they're not all one type of person after all - but I so seem to encounter a lot of self-proclaimed Conservatory voters who adopt a "Labour lovers spouting insults and slurs and hate, can't have a rational conversation with them" line when all that's happened - if anything- is that someone has disagreed with their point of view.

Maybe it's my peer group but I see much more hate directed Tories to Labour than I do the other way around.

Have you seen how many of thechickendinner's posts have been deleted?

Otherwise "thick" and variations on that theme have been thrown about with abandon by a minority of posters.

Midnightblack · 02/08/2022 11:30

There have been a fair few insults hurled by Tory voters towards Labour voters as well. That may be inevitable, given the title of the thread, but there's quite a bit of ranting about how people are being divisive while making very divisive observations.

Jansobieski · 02/08/2022 11:32

OP hasn't said she's left wing has she ?
Just because she doesn't agree with the current lamentable shower in government doesn't mean she's a fully paid up member of the LP.
Not all lefties call tory party supporters names and vice versa. There's just a strident minority of extremists on both sides who stir up things on SM. There does however seem to be a recurrent theme amongst tory voters that suggests they tend to be closeted in nice middle class bubbles in often southern areas of the country unaware that poverty and lack of opportunity exists for others.

apintortwo · 02/08/2022 11:35

There does however seem to be a recurrent theme amongst tory voters that suggests they tend to be closeted in nice middle class bubbles in often southern areas of the country unaware that poverty and lack of opportunity exists for others

This is how I would describe a typical London liberal leftie, not a Tory voter

Anothernamechangeplease · 02/08/2022 11:40

DdraigGoch · 02/08/2022 11:07

I'm confident that the likes of Kemi Badenoch do care about the safety of women. KB has pushed a lot on this issue, despite obstruction from Stonewalled civil servants.

OK, I'm glad you're confident. I'm afraid I don't share your confidence.

I believe that Kemi Badenoch knows what a woman is, but I don't think that necessarily means that she cares about women's rights. And she will quite happily throw poor, vulnerable women under the bus, frankly.

The protection of single sex spaces is important, but that alone is not enough to safeguard the rights of women. I can't understand how people have become so blinkered about this one issue to the exclusion of everything else.

Midnightblack · 02/08/2022 11:43

Jansobieski · 02/08/2022 11:32

OP hasn't said she's left wing has she ?
Just because she doesn't agree with the current lamentable shower in government doesn't mean she's a fully paid up member of the LP.
Not all lefties call tory party supporters names and vice versa. There's just a strident minority of extremists on both sides who stir up things on SM. There does however seem to be a recurrent theme amongst tory voters that suggests they tend to be closeted in nice middle class bubbles in often southern areas of the country unaware that poverty and lack of opportunity exists for others.

I think there is a distinction that should be made between traditional Tory voters, many of whom are horrified at the current incarnation of the Tory party, and those who support what is happening at the moment. I've never voted Tory, but can completely understand the viewpoint of a Justine Greening or a Rory Stewart. The current bunch are the most corrupt, cruellest, most divisive bunch of people it's ever been my misfortune to be governed by. I know people who voted them into power in 2019, who very much regret doing so now. I don't know anybody in real life who still supports them. The by-elections suggest that their support has, mercifully, plummeted. I would look askance at somebody who wanted to align themselves with their policies. I think their Rwanda policy is horrendous. I think their reluctance to provide free school meals until being shamed into doing so is horrendous. I think their awarding of lucrative contracts to their mates and failed Test and Trace is horrendous. I think their eagerness to scrap the HRA is very frightening. These are just examples of the policies I find awful. If I knew someone who supported all of that, then yes, I'd think less of them.

FourTeaFallOut · 02/08/2022 11:47

The protection of single sex spaces is important, but that alone is not enough to safeguard the rights of women

But is a foundational right to safeguard women. It might not be enough but it is an absolutely necessary first point. There's no point painting the house if you thought the ground works were a bigoted affront to your moral conscious.

FourTeaFallOut · 02/08/2022 11:47

Conscience 🙄