To feel angry at Tory voters?

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DF has always voted Tory. He’s very anti immigration and we will never see each other’s POV.
DHs friends are all Tory voters and hate being with them as they are all racist, xenophobic & misogynistic.
Other Tory voters I know through work or extended family members are also xenophobic and casually racist.
I’ve spoken to friends about this and they agree that the Tory voters they personally know are also racist and xenophobic.
Why is this?
Me and DH lived abroad and as we've lived as ‘foreigners’, we don’t share their views.

I don’t think it’s a tenable claim at all. It’s not greed to say that you want equality of opportunity, but not equality of outcome. It’s not greed that says that an income tax rate of over 50% acts as a disincentive to work

I ve been taxed at over 50% when i worked for Ericsson, i still took home a heck of a lot of money, there was no disincentive, we get amazing public services and as i didn't need health insurance or pay for priv ed i was better off than UK counterparts.

In the UK, taxed at 40% too but i can contribute to a pension and get substantial tax relief on it.

Top rate is 45% on income over 150k, so what it that went up to 50% ? would you need a foodbank.... its still 6x more than a nurse gets, yet your not paying 6x as much tax.

Imagine we're living how our ancestors lived for aeons, in a small settlement. Protective walls, lookouts, a few houses, livestock etc. You see some strangers coming over the hill. They're not from your tribe

These days people don't need to spend too much time 'pondering' and fearing the 'unknown' in the way you describe. Most have access to various media and can tell in two seconds what's going on and make up their minds about it.

That's a bizarre swing. What have you got against the Lib Dems, or any local independents?

Interesting to read your reasons for Brexit. Can I ask do you still stand by them? Do you think it has been a success, even in a measured way?

Usual Tory = evil, Labour = nice.

Jesus, grow up.

I hope the OP will enlighten us on precisely which Tory policies she thinks are racist and misogynistic?

Is it Tory party policy to be Islamophobic? Labour has changed under Starmer, Corbyn isn't even in the PLP and there is no "take your shares away and redistribute them" policies, your making this up & scaremongering.

As for self ID, which party is opening up many more gender clinics (which will allow self ID), allows trans women to be in Womens prisons or refuge's, allows the NHS to place trans women on womens wards (if you can find one) Had the countries first Trans women MP, though whether he was genuine or not is another matter.

Yet once again its "but what about Labour......"

The Tories have been in for 12 years, start taking responsibility for your mess.

the UK should be free to determine our own course of action

Why would anyone think that being free to determine our own course of action is not a success?

As for self ID, which party is opening up many more gender clinics (which will allow self ID), allows trans women to be in Womens prisons or refuge's, allows the NHS to place trans women on womens wards (if you can find one)

The Conservatives are pushing back on these policies driven by the Left

I pay 47% on the majority of my income. That’s enough. My husband earns significantly more than me, but as he’s paid in the Netherlands he pays only 35%

How does he mange that? Evasion or Avoidance?
Netherlands has a top rate of 49.5% on income over 68k euros, considerably higher than the UK rate, which would be 40% on a proportion of that.

What? The tories are power not the left! hear your self!!!

Its their polices that cut funding on refuges, nhs and prisons, which means trans women have nowhere to else to go.

Unless u wish to see a trans woman raped to death in a male prison?

Take some responsibility.

as usual Tory voters considered racist and sexist and apparently anyone who votes to tbe left is a “good person”
typical shit

Rotherham was a labour borough, was it not? The mass rape and abuse of young girls by a certain group of people. No one helped because they didn’t want to be seen as racist. Some kids considered prostitutes… I’m sure many of the people who turned a blind eye, blamed the young girls and covered it up were those “good people” who vote labour top

Sorry not borough used to London speak!! You’d think I was a labour voter the way I only consider London

Totally agree with you here!

Its their polices that cut funding on refuges, nhs and prisons, which means trans women have nowhere to else to go

You don't appear to be very well versed on this issue. There's a dedicated board on MN where these concerns are discussed more in detail

I’m a Tory voter

It is the icing on the cake that that makes some people like the OP “angry” at me

This is what I am trying to get at. There is so much more nuance than just "blue team evil, red team good" or vice versa. The neither major political parties are particularly extreme (although Corbyn had a go) its about where the point of fairness lies for you. I take no issue with people who believe that a Labour policy is kinder and fairer and thats why their vote goes in that box, but they must also accept that for someone else that policy may be unfair for them, and their cross goes in a different box.

For example, minimum wage. Maybe, hypothetically, Lab want a minimum wage to increase from £10ph to £15ph. On the face of it, that seems fair to a waiter, after all, they work hard and the restaurant makes a profit, and £10ph sees them struggle to bills, let alone a holiday. But what another owner who has fine margins, is struggling to pay rates and rent based on paying 15 staff £10ph, and a 50% staff pay rise will put them out of business? What is fair, no increase? A 50% increase? Continue to see the waiter struggle to make ends meet? Kill a previously successful enterprise?

This is the kind of dilemma that should determine where people should vote.

"Nowhere else to go" - as if anywhere but women's spaces would be validating enough.

I'm angry at people's stupidity in voting for them thinking that they care about ordinary hard-working people, but a couple of people I know and love voted for them and I can't hold that against them as I think they voted with the best intentions. I just think they were very naive. Same with Brexit voters, although I think given the world economy, leaving the EU could well be a very good or very bad thing. We will see in the next year. It's shit all over the globe really. I think our anger is partially justified when directed at the ruling parties, but anger at our current dismal situation globally should really be directed higher than that. Let's face it, it's not really the politicians running the show is it?

Well, quite. Roll over women, step in and sort out what is ENTIRELY an issue with MALE violence.

If only you could fuel the country with the amount of righteous indignation that is washing around this place. Is anyone ever just a bit miffed, slightly concerned or a tad annoyed anymore? Just straight to full anger and hatred with all the emotional intelligence of your average stropping toddler.

I think the main issue I have with Tory voters is the idea that they look after themselves. There is this drive towards individualism at the expense of social responsibility. For me the ethos of Tory-ism is such that it blatantly ignores the inbuilt prejudices and inequalities that fuels poverty, unemployment and criminality (to name a few). It's an interesting shift because with the living crisis now impacting more middle class families perhaps they will see it isn't just about 'working harder'. I can, most of the time, tell whether someone's a Tory voter or not and I'm afraid in my experience they do tend to be more insular and selfish.