To feel angry at Tory voters?

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DF has always voted Tory. He’s very anti immigration and we will never see each other’s POV.
DHs friends are all Tory voters and hate being with them as they are all racist, xenophobic & misogynistic.
Other Tory voters I know through work or extended family members are also xenophobic and casually racist.
I’ve spoken to friends about this and they agree that the Tory voters they personally know are also racist and xenophobic.
Why is this?
Me and DH lived abroad and as we've lived as ‘foreigners’, we don’t share their views.

Never seen so much bigotry on a thread. Even in the question. Wow! Just wow!

I would argue the groundworks needed to protect women are to tackle ingrained misogyny, because without that safe spaces wouldn't be needed.

Absolutely going back to 50% from its current 45% wouldn't be a problem.

But surely it isn't hard to see why people may have been reluctant to start paying 45% tax at 80k (instead of 150k) and 50% over £123k. That's a pretty big jump for people that are comfortable but certainly not wealthy (particularly if you live in the SE). That could have been a reality if Labour got in at the last election

I was also young when Thatcher was assisting people to buy their own homes and (rightly or wrongly with hindsight) thought it was a party who encouraged the poor to get on the property ladder same as everyone else

You're deluded if you think thatcher was doing it out the goodness of her 'heart' to help working class people 🤣🤣

She did it with the intention of getting working class people to have a mortgage making it less likely they would go on strike, default on their mortgage and have their home repossessed.

It was a move to destabilise the unions. Which the tories have continued their crusade to do.

Sorry OP, but you married a Tory. You've made your bed.

I could never marry someone with such fundamental differences and life views. Thats insane.

😁 Yeah, and the pavements will be paved with gold😁

In the meantime, I'd like to have our old school sex exclusionary definition of woman back.

Thatcher also had her eye to retirement, as a house makes a good pot for care home fees(as we have seen).

Theres no real argument about it, study after study links right wing beliefs with lower intelligence. The idea that the right never insults the left held by the right is probably proof of that actually. Theres a whole newspaper industry built on it.

www.jstor.org/stable/41417016

psycnet.apa.org/record/2018-41368-001

Good point. I also wonder what exactly the OP meant by „racism“ and „xenophobia“, and I‘m an immigrant myself.

I’m definitely left leaning, but I have encountered several people on the left who are absolutely reluctant to discuss any immigration related issues for fear of appearing xenophobic (even when they’re clearly feeling uncomfortable about said issues) and I don’t think avoiding this type of discussion is helpful.

I live in a very multicultural town and I know several Labour voting (English) people who, while celebrating diversity in principle, choose to move out to smaller, more affluent villages with far fewer immigrants. I also know immigrants who are pro immigration control and very critical towards those who fail to integrate.

I just don’t think it’s black and white as in Tory and/ or Brexiter = bad, Labour voter = good.

Trans bollocks will not be 'the new Brexit'. It's an extremely niche topic and anybody outside the middle class mumsnet sphere is mystified by it. If anything they see all feminists as part of the same completely foreign world of academic types with strange jobs.

Well the OP for one, or the poster that wrote I'll stand by the fact that Tory voters are selfish, bigoted, thick, or a combination of the three, the poster that keeps banging on about people on the right being of lower intelligence, the poster that refers to them as 'evil lite'

The same Tory party that had disproportionately affected women with their austerity measures?!

I am shocked so many women decide to vote for Tory "because they know what a woman is". Yes - because they keep shafting us!

Oh well done for Googling, you! That 2012 study was highly controversial and disproven at the time. Anyone can find a couple of links to pseudo studies online to back up an argument. Complete bullshit to say 'study after study,' if a notorious one 10 years old is all you've got.

'theres no real argument about it' and quashing debate is not an opening sentence to install any conviction in whatever guff gets spouted immediately after it because you're starting off defensively.

Quite why or what gain there is for you setting out a hateful 'right wing voters are thick' stable under the fragile veneer of highly disputed 'scientific' studies is beyond me.

No, it's not just that Labour don't know what a woman is, it is that they are too cowardly to state what a woman is and have demonstrated themselves too weak to allow space for discussion for those who dissent from gender speak.

Trans issues have become niche issue that represents broader issues about Labour's approach. This goes to the heart of whether they represent mature politics, truthfulness, freedom of speech. About how they adopt faith over truth. And beyond discussions about sex, these are qualities that I don't want that in an opposition party, let alone government.

@apintortwo what's wrong with being liberal ? And surely the fact that fairly affluent educated 'MC' lefties are in favour of better investment in public services for those not as fortunate is a good thing ? Surely a political party should be full of all types of folk just like the conservative party is inhabited by wealthy toffs and working class brexiteers.

Well of course we do, or rather society/govt does.

Not everyone who goes to prison is a violent child abuser, violence in prisons is a terrible scourge and something no civilised society should tolerate.

I don't want a trans woman in a female prison anymore than you do and it must stop! what i don't understand is why this is somehow Labours fault????

Neither would i want a Transwoman, who has had surgery etc to be sent to a male prison.

Anyway, this is all getting off the subject of the OP, other than all the issues in regard to trans women and womens right to safe spaces have occurred under a Tory Govt, who have consistently under funded women only spaces, especially DV refuges, its an absolute disgrace... almost 3 women a week are murdered in a domestic setting and it was the Tories that changed HB rules so women who needed a panic room were then effectively taxed on it.

That was rolled back BUT only after pressure from the opposition and women themselves - it would still be in place otherwise.

Right, I'm going to be starting a new thread.

''AIBU to be angry at Labour voters?''

All my family members, and my relationships, and all my friends' families and relationships, to the nth degree Kevin Bacon six times removed, are angry, shouty, intolerant, prejudiced, ''woke fascist'' Labour voters (they have this label sewn into their clothes in pride).

All I hear them express are violently intolerant, rage-filled things and they ''Cancel'' anyone who doesn't agree with them. These are the most controlling relationships I've ever had in my life.''

Now that clearly is not acceptable, so why is this hate-filled thread?

As said, that study is flawed.

Most of my Tory voting friends aren't thick at all and they aren't rude, make personal attacks or condescending either, which is why MN deleted the posts i reported.

Tory supporters on here are doing their party no favours by behaving so badly.

5 years ago it was a niche topic. I don't think that's true anymore since the era of #nodebate ended. Once people like JKR entered the debate, and the issue of fairness in women's sport came up, it has become far more mainstream.

I think you're probably right and that neither is acceptable.

I suppose a big difference is that Tories have won. Tories have won the elections for the last twelve years, despite not having a majority of the vote through our extremely flawed and archaic voting system, and therefore people who feel disempowered and despairing at what this government does, become more and more frustrated at the idea that they will continue to be voted in. I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying that I think that's what's happening.

It's a comparable phenomenon with Brexit. There's a lot of animosity on both sides, but there's only one side that got what it wanted and that has all the power. Absolutely no concessions were made to Remainers, even though it was nearly a 50/50 split, so it's unsurprising if people feel very angry, especially when most people see none of the fabled benefits.

This government also operates by stirring division. Their attacks on 'woke' 'unions' 'Remainers' is all part of this. Our most powerful response would be to refuse to be divided - but people are only human.

I've been called a loser countless times over the last six years. It's true. I am a loser. In fact I've never voted for the winning side in any election, since I wasn't in the UK in the Labour years, and I don't know if I'd have voted for them anyway.
I feel myself to be a loser. I feel that so, so much has been taken from me and from the people I love in the last six years. While it's an accurate epithet, however, it doesn't make me feel warmly towards those who voice it.

You see so so much take away from your family over the last 6 years?

and you blame that on the government?

unbelievable.

the lack of ownership and insight is astonishing

It's astonishing that you can be so dismissive when you can have absolutely no idea of my circumstances.
I'm also not quite sure why you've decided it's my family I'm talking about as that's not what I've said, but I guess it's easier to dismiss and deride what people say if you don't read it properly.

So please explain to me forthelasttime how what I and those I love have lost is not connected to what the government has done?

I have no idea what you have “lost” so how on earth can I answer that.

but I can think of nothing you have lost That could be the fault of the government so will need you to enlighten me

Just my own amusement cockandball. I'm not here to win labour voters. I hate right wing people and their lack of moral character and dont give a shit if they know it.