To feel angry at Tory voters?

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DF has always voted Tory. He’s very anti immigration and we will never see each other’s POV.
DHs friends are all Tory voters and hate being with them as they are all racist, xenophobic & misogynistic.
Other Tory voters I know through work or extended family members are also xenophobic and casually racist.
I’ve spoken to friends about this and they agree that the Tory voters they personally know are also racist and xenophobic.
Why is this?
Me and DH lived abroad and as we've lived as ‘foreigners’, we don’t share their views.

Exactly.

Of course there are some racist scumbags that vote Tory, just as there are some antisemitic vermin voting Labour. It doesn’t mean everyone has the same beliefs. Most of my non-white friends are Tory voters whose parents or grandparents are immigrants and they’re most certainly not racist.

I think sometimes you over think things. The reason people locally to me voted Tory?

Ed Fucking Balls. They wanted him out, apparently he is not a very nice person. Never met him myself but heard a lot of people talk about him. I am not from this area originally but it was a labour stronghold. He lost it. What does that tell you about him? Sometimes it isn't about general government sometimes it is about local government and those people that represent it.

This exactly.

I have been disgusted with and distrustful of this government for years and I am sure there are millions more like me. At the last election Labour should have walked it. Except they put up a leader like JC. I think I voted Liberal in the end.

Maybe KS isn't perfect but he surely has more chance of attracting the centrist vote of people like me.

Unfortunately it sometimes feels like Labour actually like to be the party of opposition hence so many reviling Tony Blair when actually he kept Labour in power for longer than it has ever been.

It is a strange thing that most people tend to prefer the centre ground but whenever a party on either side thinks they are in trouble they tend to lurch to the extreme to keep their traditional voters.

Anyway OP I have known some racists, xenophobes and mysogonists and even more genuinely nice and reasonable people and they come from all over the political spectrum. Though some of the most sexist and mysogonistic I encountered were old-fashioned "traditional" Labour men.

And another thing, we didn't have Covid under a Labour Government.

It's not as clear cut as you're making out here as this shows:

“Of course, caution should be exercised in the interpretation of such results. One cannot discredit any ideology on the basis of such results as those presently obtained. Only in a distant future we will be able to look back upon our times, and then we can maybe judge which ideologies were the best. Cognitively and emotionally smart people can make wrong decisions as well.

The results have been obtained in one particular context. Would similar results be obtained in other contexts besides in a Western country with a long-standing stable democracy? Whether these tendencies are universal, or limited to particular contexts, is very intriguing.”

- study author Alain Van Hiel, a professor at the University of Ghent.

Perhaps less indulging in confirmation bias and more careful reading of studies, especially the limitations they will invariably note.

Anti-Semite misogynists to the left of us, Racists to the right, here we are stuck in the middle with a childish and naive OP.

There’s are good and bad on both sides OP, and it isn’t just connected to how people vote. You might appreciate that when you grow up a bit

Stop and search is mostly about knives, not drugs.

It's no coincidence that since Theresa May tightened up the rules on searches that knife crime went out of control.

I think the OP is childlike in its simplicity and a good indication as to why Labour has lost every election since Blair.

Tories and Tory voters are not inherently evil. And the left do not have a monopoly on good. Tories just have a different view on where the equilibrium of fairness lies.

The pure left tends to believe that everyone deserves a fair share, and those who do well should share, and the pure right believes in the right to benefit from ones own work, intelligence and risk taking. Most reasonable beliefs are somewhere in the middle.

If I work 15 hour days and secure a loan on my house for a business that turns in a healthy profit, I want to buy a nice car, send the kids to private school and leave a legacy to give a leg up to my kids after i kick the bucket. So I don't want to see high taxes, and my risk and hard work funding the lifestyles of those who do less/no work, take no personal risk.

But likewise, I want to see a strong NHS, defense force etc. and I despite me not wanting to pay for cars, Iphones and holidays, I want to see those less fortunate educated, fed and given a decent chance at life. I want to see people unable to work through disability provided for. I have to accept that I have to pay tax to fund this.

So, my pin on the spectrum is slightly right of the centre, and that is why I vote Tory. Or did. I'll struggle to again after the disgrace of lockdown, but thats another matter.

You sound like a most reasonable, well-adusted, sound, rational, logical, nuanced and incisive critical thinker.

Can we have more of your meticulously considered and scientifically proven insights, please?

The whole social contract only works because people see some of themselves in others

This is part of the problem nowadays. Globalists and the left are working hard to ensure that many cannot see themselves in others anymore.

Your post is spot on

Labour talk the talk but all their leaders have been white men

its fashionable to say the tories are racist/sexist or whatever, but really they’re just driven by money and greed. Demographics don’t really come into it

A lot of my family vote, and are members of the Tory party, none of them are racist or any of the things you describe. Personally I have found the traits you think are exclusive to Tory voters to be evenly decided between all of the population.
Labour are better at pretending they know what the public want while showing that they have even less of a clue.
Labour will not have a women or person of colour leading them in my lifetime.

You also clearly vote Tory, as your post is lacking in all depth of understanding for others POV, and is just as intolerant and hate filled as you claim Tory voters are

If the impression given by the left is that they’d appropriate my homes, take my investments, and laugh while they were doing it, then where’s the incentive to support them in so doing?

what Labour policy is that then? or have you just made a load of stuff up again?

Labour have and never have had a policy of taking yours or anyone elses home away from them....or your investments... i believe however the Tories are looking at such a policy with regard to 2nd homes in holiday areas.

Stop and search is mostly about knives, not drugs
It's no coincidence that since Theresa May tightened up the rules on searches that knife crime went out of control

The reasons people carry knives is complex and almost always involves other crime, such as drugs.

the problem with Stop and Search is that it alienates the very communities the Police and others are trying to build trust with.

Closing down youth centres, surestart and reducing police numbers by 20,000 contributes to knife crime.

Labour have and never have had a policy of taking yours or anyone elses home away from them....or your investments...

Out of control taxes to subsidise the world and its wife has this effect in practice. It's a form of gradual confiscation by stealth

The reasons people carry knives is complex

Really? Where's the 'complexity', can you explain?

Stop and search is applicable on the grounds that the police have ‘reasonable grounds’ to suspect that you have drugs, a weapon, stolen property, etc. That’s according to gov.uk. Not just for knife crime.

Here’s a link to an investigation from Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire and Rescue Services which looks at the fact that stop and search is a) predominantly used for drugs and b) accuses the police of using their stop and search powers disproportionately with ethnic minorities.

www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmicfrs/wp-content/uploads/disproportionate-use-of-police-powers-spotlight-on-stop-search-and-use-of-force.pdf

I would argue that systemic inequalities are the main reason for rising knife crime. Impoverished backgrounds and poor mental health have been found in research studies to be linked to the rise.

The Tory party have been ‘rolling back the state’ since Margaret Thatcher and are largely responsible for the privatisation of the NHS and so I would say that they’re more responsible for rising knife crime than police cuts. There is little support for those most vulnerable to criminal activity.

Would obviously be great if the police could receive some funding too, if they were less short staffed, they’d be less likely (as a whole) to ‘stop and search’ in a racist manner to make their quota.

Oops, the link failed - let me try again.

www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmicfrs/wp-content/uploads/disproportionate-use-of-police-powers-spotlight-on-stop-search-and-use-of-force.pdf

@Everanewbie I think most people would want the same as you. My issue with capitalism comes in when you have enough to achieve all your goals and what happens the excess. Your business has done well so you employ some people. Do you think they deserve to share in your business’ success? To what extent? Should they get a basic minimum wage that they can barely survive on? Or should they be comfortable too? I think they should get a higher wage, that they, in turn, pay tax on. If you pay the lower wage, and therefore have a higher profit, it’s only fair you pay more tax because you aren’t redistributing your wealth and your employees are more likely to need government help, either in the form of benefits or healthcare.

I get where you're coming from. But...

Imagine we're living how our ancestors lived for aeons, in a small settlement. Protective walls, lookouts, a few houses, livestock etc. You see some strangers coming over the hill. They're not from your tribe. They might be bringing interesting new goods and knowledge, or they might be coming to steal from you, spy and wage war. Do you let them in the village?

There's no right answer, but I think the basic principle of whether you see outsiders as an opportunity to learn and grow or a threat to be guarded against is at the core of being left or right wing. Are you defensive or expansive? There are risks in both.

I don't see ethnic minorities as not belonging or being outsiders and I don't think there's anything to fear from them. But if you live all your life in a small, defensive way then you think your community is at threat from them and you want to defend it. You're afraid of change because it might hurt you.

The same with economics - I have never and will never vote Tory but I think it's a valid argument to say that subsidising everything isn't the right way to do things and incentivising personal initiative and innovation is a better way to go. That's what's at the core of the different between left and right, in theory. In practice it's all a corrupt pile of sludge.

So basically, the kind of narrow minded racist voters you're talking about (have some in my family too) I feel hostile towards but also sad that they live in such a small world. Tory voters per se I think can be honourable, decent people who just have a different view of the best way forward than I have have.

Stop and search is applicable on the grounds that the police have ‘reasonable grounds’ to suspect that you have drugs, a weapon, stolen property, etc.

I have no problem for anyone (including myself) to be stopped and searched if it's going to keep us all safe. Search away