To feel angry at Tory voters?

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DF has always voted Tory. He’s very anti immigration and we will never see each other’s POV.
DHs friends are all Tory voters and hate being with them as they are all racist, xenophobic & misogynistic.
Other Tory voters I know through work or extended family members are also xenophobic and casually racist.
I’ve spoken to friends about this and they agree that the Tory voters they personally know are also racist and xenophobic.
Why is this?
Me and DH lived abroad and as we've lived as ‘foreigners’, we don’t share their views.

@apintortwo

whilst I understand that degrees are more common now, it’s still curious how 70% of leave voters were not educated past GCSE level, there has to be a reason for this because A levels and degrees are more common now so by that logic you might expect both demographics to be roughly equally split with the votes on either side, and that’s the whole point.

The point I was trying to make was that people who are less educated are generally less tolerant, of course I understand things are more nuanced than this, for e.g. if low skilled workers are told it’s foreigners fault they aren’t paid more then that might explain some of the stark difference.

BUT the point is that based on my mine and others observations taken together with the leave: remain ratio, I do conclude that racism/ xenophobia would have been a big predictor of voting intention

I am not calling anybody thick! For the last time, I understand there are exceptions to this, it’s just very curious!

Well, I think it's more connected to the fact that, rightly or wrongly, people focus on what is happening in their own countries and what will affect them directly first and foremost.
However, there has been a lot of condemnation of deportations of people, who are vulnerable to being attacked or killed because of being gay, so I don't think I agree with your take on this. Nor do I think that the people you are criticising are ashamed of their skin colour; they just don't want others to be victimised because of theirs.

@Scurryfunge12 how on earth can we possibly know the education level of voters?
Ballots are meant to be anonymous. I'd love to see where this statistic has come from if you can provide a source, please?

I use it because i'm constantly called hard or far left on here... Good for the Goose etc....

Just because i support Starmer, believe in the NHS, think we need a better educated workforce and think Brexit is a total disaster of epic proportions, these apparently are enough to call posters like me "Hard Left"

If you don't like it, stop calling Labour supporters names.

Been quite a bit of research on it by a few Uni's and polling outfits... ask how you voted, age education etc..

Same way any marketing is done.

@Onlyhereforthebatshitneighbours

I’m guessing they would have been surveyed? And I doubt people would lie about only having GCSE’s if thru could say otherwise, though some may have lied about their A levels/degrees, I suppose.

ukandeu.ac.uk/educational-attainment-referendum-voting/

If you don’t trust this source, there’s plenty more.

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@AndreaC74 I'm with you on all those- and I'm not hard left either- very much centre/centre left - I'm business minded and the Tory's seem to have zero business sense these days

If you can call it that. First five years were the Coalition between "heir to Blair" Cameron and Nick Clegg. Then a couple more years of Cameron, followed by May (who tried introducing self-ID) and now big spending liberal Johnson.

There have not been many policies that has been socially or economically conservative in that time.

So austerity didn’t happen then @DdraigGoch? Cameron spent the entirety of his premiership undoing all the improvements the Blair/Brown governments achieved.

Bit late to the game, but...I'm a labour party member. I don't get angry at Tory voters because that's democracy. My party needs to look at why it doesn't appeal to voters.

They're losing women as the won't defend their sex based rights. The message on brexit was bizarre in 2019. They are currently not cohesive on supporting striking workers, a lingering smell of anti-semitism.

We have a lot of work to do, including taking on client journalism and the right wing press.

We are a naturally Conservative country, the extremes on the right are hopefully becoming less palatable as time marches forward.

Err, I believe this is yet another thread slagging off the Tories. If you don't want comeback, maybe don't pile on.

I can't remember whether this was posted here or a similar thread bashing any Conservative voter that dared to engage....

Two possibilities here. People who vote Tory are either stupid, or they are bastards. ie they either don't understand the implications, or do understand and don't care.

I'll leave it at that.

Some cuts were made, but the budget was balanced far slower than Darling planned to.

Some budgets were even increased.

I'm not going to post anymore as I can feel my blood pressure rising but just to say - I have no issue if people on here vote Tory , their choice- But i do have an issue with those on mumsnet in general who have zero empathy with those who may struggle in life far more than they do , speak to anyone renting like the shit on their shoe (their are many reasons people do, not all down to 'bad choices' - by a very long way) and seem to feel anyone left of Jacob Rees Mogg is some kind of hard left agitator. Then again on the other side of it I've not got a lot of time for those who struggle a bit and choose to make snarky jealous comments about anyone who has done ok through hard work and their own efforts .

I think that the thing that everyone forgets is, um, thingy, you know, what's he called? Well him, he did that with, no I mean he DIDN'T do that. But ignoring that for the moment.. Oh, I lost my train of thought now. TRAIN that was it ! STRIKES.

Ha ha another right winger telling those whose opinions they don't like to shut up.

I believe you ride a bike, you see the state of the roads.

I ve been cycling for many years, over the last 10 years or so, roads have become in many cases, little more than tracks.

Funding to Councils has fallen, in real terms by 40%, we all see the results of that.

Austerity was required for a 4 or 5 years, but not 10.

The Tories had to become big spenders because of CV and now Cost of Living but they hate it, hence, going fwd, Truss wants Austerity 2, tax and budget cuts, even seeking to cut the pay of public sector workers outside of London/SE....

I don't see these public sector cuts in Europe.

WE are in Europe.

@Crikeyalmighty thank you for articulating your posts so well. My heads been a bit all over the place this week, but your posts are near summations of what I think and I've been to have you posting.

Anyone else notice how the further right the government leant, the more radical centrist ideas and maintenance of the long-established status quo were deemed??

@Onlyhereforthebatshitneighbours Why thank you . I do find it frustrating- I always thought women were the softer sex , so I am always suprised at the amount of vitriol against those who are a bit more liberal or concerned about the amount of hard nosed Americanisation creeping in here (without the better aspects of the USA) I'm all for endeavour but not without safety nets .

We all abhor the sort of countries where gay people are prosecuted and persecuted, let alone killed. But that topic was not germane to the general direction of the conversation. In my experience, Tories are actually rather more chilled on sexual preferences than most, because they tend to view them as private matters.

Which budgets were increased? Every single public service is worse now than those the Tories inherited. Improvements in health and education flushed away, millions more children living in poverty, Surestart swept away. It’s heartbreaking.

However people vote, I think we need to look at the fact that the people of Britain has been struggling year on year since the Tories came to power in 2010.
Food banks served 40,000 people in 2009 and this jumped to 60,000 in 2010 then more than doubled to 128,000 in 2011.
Now over 2 million rely on food banks. Many of these people work but do not earn enough to pay their bills and buy food!
Furthermore, Tories raised tuition fees, cut benefits & disability benefits, introduced a bedroom tax, spent billions on unusable PPE during the pandemic and had a no deal brexit which has caused many manufacturers to fold or move to Eastern Europe due to the stringent new measures introduced for customs.
Under Labour, I was on a considerably much lower wage, yet had far more disposable income despite having a mortgage to pay.
Yet the rich get richer. How is this fair and why do people still vote Tory when our people are struggling more and more each year even those of us with two full time earners?

Take International Development. The civil servants in that department couldn't spend the money fast enough.

Healthcare spending (even before the pandemic) has also increased in real terms since 2010.