To feel angry at Tory voters?

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DF has always voted Tory. He’s very anti immigration and we will never see each other’s POV.
DHs friends are all Tory voters and hate being with them as they are all racist, xenophobic & misogynistic.
Other Tory voters I know through work or extended family members are also xenophobic and casually racist.
I’ve spoken to friends about this and they agree that the Tory voters they personally know are also racist and xenophobic.
Why is this?
Me and DH lived abroad and as we've lived as ‘foreigners’, we don’t share their views.

I really don't think it does either Remainers or Brexiteers any favours to personally criticise others for their political leanings.

Can you expand on that?

Back when it was very common for LP members to be anti-EU, you couldn't understand the reasons? For example? Can you articulate them at all?

I'm kind of fascinated that it's possible not to see at all what they were concerned about.

My threads are moving along a bit fast today so I can't find where I referred to the social capital and Sathnam Sanghera's article in today's Times.

However, for anyone interested in social mobility and how young people improve their lot in life, which should be most here I reckon, here's a link to the original research study (published in Nature) as reported by the New York Times.

And the point is? There are extremes on both sides and the majority of this thread has been about asking people to see the nuance between this and your average Tory voter.

I don’t see a good reason not to give the vote to 16/17 yr olds

In several countries that have been relatively recently co-opted by the Left, there is a push to lower the voting age. They are said to be doing this under the assumption that the young are easier to sway in their favour. If they get their vote, the ruling government will have more time to establish themselves more firmly and implement increasingly radical changes.

But interestingly, this young group in these places are leaning more towards the (sometimes far) Right, as they are old enough to see the effect that left wing policies are having on their opportunities for advancement and on the degradation of society as a whole.

they are old enough to see the effect that left wing policies are having on their opportunities for advancement and on the degradation of society as a whole

Well they certainly wouldn’t have that opportunity here, given that we’ve had a right wing government for the last 12 years.

Where is this *Apin? Out of interest

Re another post or husbands a wealthy banker etc

I don’t know the poster, but they could be in finance it’s not always the dh

To be honest it really doesn't matter does it? The British public, as evident by the Brexit vote, doesn't have a clue.

They're so easy to manipulate, and if they're told foreigners will be out, the country will be incredible and economy will thrive they will vote without critically thinking "hmm that doesn't quite add up".

People in this country keep voting against their own interests because they get their info from mumsnet, Facebook & daily mail and call it a day.

Tory voters & Brexit voters deserve every single shitshow that's been happening, sadly the rest of us don't as we understood it's not a good idea. But oh well.

Where is this Apin? Out of interest*

I've heard it's happening in South America

@Miajk ... as well as the Times, Guardian, FT, Telegraph and New York Times, to refer to just a few of the publications I read more days than not, plus R4 plays almost constantly in the house and car. It's gross oversimplification to suggest that FB, the Fail and MN account for the majority of Tory and/or Brexit reading.

There was a time, back in the 60s, 70s and 80s, that it was broadly the Labour Party who held anti-EU sentiments. I have always wondered what initiated the conversion and when it happened. I suspect it was during the 1990s when Kinnock moved across to Brussels, and after Tony Blair made the party electable when metropolitan liberal types started to outnumber the traditional "blue collar" workers. Can anyone enlighten me?

@MarshaBradyo ref 'husbands a wealthy banker' - Yep maybe she is- but I wasn't getting that vibe if I'm honest

I think a very big problem is our Voting system as we are the only ones in Europe along with Belarus using FPTP

The 2019 election really highlighted this- a lot of people are neither particularly right wing or hard left wing- a great many are centre right or centre left- and it's all very well saying vote Lib Dem then (I did but was in a place with a Lib Dem MP) but for many that felt like letting labour in under Corbyn or Tory's in under Johnson.

The fact is many centre voters didn't warm to either of these extremes and felt somewhat disenfranchised unless in a strong Lib dem or green voting area or SNP /Plaid Cymru of course

PR makes far more sense, yes we would have had some ukip MPs in the past- but fewer than you might think - as it is we have now ended up with UKIP equivalent in power. Same goes for those liking momentum style labour- You end up with a mixed government that has to discuss and compromise and rarely get anything barking mad going through- and far better ministers across the board - I saw this in Denmark when we lived there (Borgen is very accurate)

If anyone mentions Cameron/clegg coalition - it really was never that- the Tory's ruled the roost and Lib Dems propped them up (and shouldn't have in my opinion) but I guess the sniff of a bit of power was too great to resist

Austria has the far right Freedom party, not quite as extreme as the UK's Tory party but close & is the only main country in europe that has a lower voting age.

Its anti immigration, Populist, nationalistic, anti EU, anti social benefits, anti Islam... perfect fit to tie in with the Conservatives.

So the idea a lower voting age benefits the Left is not proven.

I'd add that most people who vote Tory are far more centralist than the party itself.

Fwiw, paying under 47% tax in the Netherlands is not “tax evasion”.

www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/nl/buitenland/content/ik-kom-in-nederland-werken-30-procent-regeling-aanvragen

I'm just a daft racist Tory, so I’ll do you a rough and ready translation. If you’re a foreigner with special skills you pay a reduced rate of tax for 10 years.

I know that because I did it.

Why is that tory voters are referred to as far right? Unless we are NF or BNP, how on earth are we far right?

Because that’s what the current government (Johnson excepted) is. We have a home secretary who believes in capital punishment and a would be PM who’s pushing tax cuts that spell economic disaster. Not to mention the other wannabe PM who wants “people who vilify Britain” to be treated as extremeists. Add to that the desire for more erosion of workers’ rights and the right to protest and we’re heading further right all the time.

A few years ago, a woman asked Lisa Nandy a question regarding a man who had been convicted of the violent rape of a child. She asked whether they should be placed in a male prison, or a female prison.

Nandy replied and said it should be the choice of the violent child rapist.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=oUon9j1zJ_E

You say you're angry at Tory voters? Well I'm angry at the voters who voted for this!

Yes, the soft right and soft left... the broad centre everywhere else... are currently marooned. There seem to be loads of us. Starmer is sensibly staying fairly quiet and sitting on his hands and hoping to inherit the earth... or at least the key to No 10.

You’re correct you’re not

But then everyone apparently reads the DM, is thick, uneducated, racist or whatever so I guess it’s a way to paint people in the extremes

He hasn’t sacked Nandy this time for picket line

I wouldn’t call it yet but he’ll be far more central than predecessor

Nobody voted for that @Snoozer11. Nandy said that in 2020 and we haven’t had an election since then.

But Sam Tarry was fired for giving unauthorised media briefings from the RMT picket lines. If Nandy keeps schtum, then it's likely she'll hold on.

Ah, the DM, another obsession on MN.

I'm still at an absolute loss about the point you're making and its relevance to this thread. Are you suggesting that Tory voters don't want to kill gay people and leftwing people do? Or that Tory voters should be given credit for not wanting to kill gay people?
Sorry if I'm missing something obvious.

You know the culture of those killing gays. They are not 'white gammons' are they. If they were, they would be easy targets for criticism. The fact that it is muslims carrying out these atrocities and not white christians is why such murders are not at the forefront of mainstream news. Moreover, The fact that the UK has been found not to be institutionally racist, as a majority white population must upset the white ppl who are ashamed of their own skin colour. It always comes back to the right of politics.