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To feel angry at Tory voters?

740 replies

Dottodo · 02/08/2022 00:52

DF has always voted Tory. He’s very anti immigration and we will never see each other’s POV.
DHs friends are all Tory voters and hate being with them as they are all racist, xenophobic & misogynistic.
Other Tory voters I know through work or extended family members are also xenophobic and casually racist.
I’ve spoken to friends about this and they agree that the Tory voters they personally know are also racist and xenophobic.
Why is this?
Me and DH lived abroad and as we've lived as ‘foreigners’, we don’t share their views.

OP posts:
luckylavender · 03/08/2022 13:05

@MangyInseam - yes incomprehensible

AndreaC74 · 03/08/2022 13:08

I think one problem could be that it’s very possible that a carer could more easily force them to vote differently to how they would if not suffering from dementia. There’s a strong chance of abuse. But a slippery slope perhaps. I don’t have the answers

Thats a good point and one used against the growing use of postal voting.

With my mum, after her stroke, she would have voted very willing for anyone i wanted her too, she became more like a child than her previous independent self - she was a life long Tory, so is it right i could influence her vote so easily?

Before the far right jump on me, i never did or would, its an despicable thing to do.

DdraigGoch · 03/08/2022 13:08

AndreaC74 · 03/08/2022 12:58

His comments on halting the supply of weapons to Ukraine is beyond belief...

Shows a complete lack of understanding of what Putin wants, which is ALL of Ukraine.

The media portrayed Corbyn as if he supported the IRA, which is still a criminal offence and one he would have been put on trial for.

He is a very popular democratically elected MP.

I think he should be kicked out of Labour, not just suspended.

It wasn't just the IRA, it was the likes of Hamas too.

luckylavender · 03/08/2022 13:09

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 03/08/2022 09:06

I understand all of this but if I were to not vote for Labour, I would vote Green or Lib Dem. Never Tory

thats still a floating voter…

It would be an extreme thing for me to do. My premise is that I don't understand people who switch between Lab & Tory.

MarshaBradyo · 03/08/2022 13:09

AndreaC74 · 03/08/2022 13:08

I think one problem could be that it’s very possible that a carer could more easily force them to vote differently to how they would if not suffering from dementia. There’s a strong chance of abuse. But a slippery slope perhaps. I don’t have the answers

Thats a good point and one used against the growing use of postal voting.

With my mum, after her stroke, she would have voted very willing for anyone i wanted her too, she became more like a child than her previous independent self - she was a life long Tory, so is it right i could influence her vote so easily?

Before the far right jump on me, i never did or would, its an despicable thing to do.

😂 yes the ‘far right’ thinking it’s despicable is the problem here

Midnightblack · 03/08/2022 13:10

DdraigGoch · 03/08/2022 13:05

Are those young audiences as representative of wider society (for their age group at least) as the adult ones? I would suggest that the kids who are involved in such programmes are unusually engaged.

As it happens I am in favour of introducing curbs on young (U21) drivers. There have been far too many innocent victims of reckless behaviour. So I'd introduce measures like banning the carrying of passengers who are also U21. Black boxes and speed limiters would be mandatory (in fact, I'd fit limiters to all new cars).

Well that did occur to me, yes, but the same could be said of the adult QT audiences as our society is one where so many declare that they have no interest in politics. I have a lot to do workwise with late teens and generally they are q interested in politics, I think.
Am sympathetic to your views on driving.

DdraigGoch · 03/08/2022 13:11

AndreaC74 · 03/08/2022 13:08

I think one problem could be that it’s very possible that a carer could more easily force them to vote differently to how they would if not suffering from dementia. There’s a strong chance of abuse. But a slippery slope perhaps. I don’t have the answers

Thats a good point and one used against the growing use of postal voting.

With my mum, after her stroke, she would have voted very willing for anyone i wanted her too, she became more like a child than her previous independent self - she was a life long Tory, so is it right i could influence her vote so easily?

Before the far right jump on me, i never did or would, its an despicable thing to do.

Isn't this one of the reasons that voter ID is being looked at? I recall that in local elections in Tower Hamlets there were particular problems with dead people voting.

apintortwo · 03/08/2022 13:21

Whether they have life experiences or not, the reality is that older people with severe mental impairment can vote and do

The young or middle aged can be mentally impaired too, and in many cases it may not be immediately apparent.

Someone who's 75 may live until he's 95 or older. Why shouldn't they have a say in who will run the country during the next 20 years of their life?

Blossomtoes · 03/08/2022 13:26

Really how much would that happen?

More than you think I suspect. My mum would have asked me which box to mark, ergo I’d have had two votes, had I been unscrupulous enough to take her to the polling station in the first place.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 03/08/2022 13:27

DdraigGoch · 03/08/2022 12:47

as the saying goes ‘’not every Brexiteer is a racist, but every racist is a Brexiteer’’

Bollocks, I knew at least one racist who voted Remain.

Same

MarshaBradyo · 03/08/2022 13:28

Blossomtoes · 03/08/2022 13:26

Really how much would that happen?

More than you think I suspect. My mum would have asked me which box to mark, ergo I’d have had two votes, had I been unscrupulous enough to take her to the polling station in the first place.

You didn’t though.

And I suspect you are not that out of the ordinary. Most people caring for a relative do it from a place of live and kindness and taking them to a polling station for a vote wouldn’t be part of it.

Mississipi71 · 03/08/2022 13:30

AndreaC74 · 03/08/2022 12:26

It was right wing poster who had 10 or 12 posts deleted, if you don't like the thread or think its vile, report it and MN will take it down if they agree or do you want to stifle honest debate?
Voting Labour isn't yet a criminal offence.

Neither is voting Tory. Until other ppl have paid my stamps, walked a mile in my shoes, I will exercise my democratic vote.

apintortwo · 03/08/2022 13:31

It was right wing poster who had 10 or 12 posts deleted

No, it was a left wing voter who said repeatedly that Tory voters were 'thick'.

MarshaBradyo · 03/08/2022 13:32

Love not live..

Blossomtoes · 03/08/2022 13:32

You didn’t though.

But I could have. The only thing that stopped me was my own conscience.

Blossomtoes · 03/08/2022 13:33

apintortwo · 03/08/2022 13:31

It was right wing poster who had 10 or 12 posts deleted

No, it was a left wing voter who said repeatedly that Tory voters were 'thick'.

It was JosephineGH, who is somewhat to the right of Le Pen.

MarshaBradyo · 03/08/2022 13:35

Blossomtoes · 03/08/2022 13:32

You didn’t though.

But I could have. The only thing that stopped me was my own conscience.

And you don’t afford other carers the same conscience?

why? They are doing the hard work and commitment to someone they love too

As I said I’m glad the AS have put out a statement as it’s not good to see anti democratic sentiment. Even with Brexit some of this has surfaced and I much prefer to preserve the right to every vote than indicate some are worth less.

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 03/08/2022 13:40

apintortwo · 03/08/2022 13:31

It was right wing poster who had 10 or 12 posts deleted

No, it was a left wing voter who said repeatedly that Tory voters were 'thick'.

How interesting. ...... Wink

Mississipi71 · 03/08/2022 13:42

apintortwo · 03/08/2022 13:31

It was right wing poster who had 10 or 12 posts deleted

No, it was a left wing voter who said repeatedly that Tory voters were 'thick'.

That's nothing new on MN. Not even going to delve into the Brexiteers being racist, lazy accusation. Those who bang on about casual isms, never turn their hate on countries where you are killed for being gay. Oh no, that big phobia is unexplored. Now I wonder why. 🙄

MarshaBradyo · 03/08/2022 13:43

or do you want to stifle honest debate?

the honesty is good, warts and all, vote stripping or thick racist brexiteers without degrees, all the tolerant views

Labour might want some of those voters back though…

Blossomtoes · 03/08/2022 13:49

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 03/08/2022 13:40

How interesting. ...... Wink

And untrue. Sadly we can’t prove it to you because all the right wing bile has been deleted. Along with the post about left wing bitches. 🤷‍♀️

MangyInseam · 03/08/2022 13:50

XingMing · 03/08/2022 09:38

The intellectual superiority of the "elite" has always been an affront. One bright spark made the suggestion that only graduates should be allowed a vote in the 2016 Referendum. This would have disenfranchised swathes of older people including my parents and in-laws. Both men were pilots; both mothers SRNs. Degrees were not 10 a penny until the 1990s.

Yes, my grandparents and to some extent my parents moved in an entirely different educational model, which look like "no university qualifications". My mother was an RN, my father had a ship's officer ticket, one grandfather was an aircraft tech and later computer programmer, one was a radio signalman and later a professional writer and poet, one of my grandmother's knew much of Shakespeare by heart, the other was a union leader after she went back to work when her kids, born in her late teens, were grown.

And especially among my grandparents, they were far more literate than most of their grandchildren with university degrees are today - my grandmother read Homer in school, even though she left to work at 15, most of her grand-kids only have a vague notion who he was.

One thing that keeps coming to my mind about this university qualification thing is a study done in the US, where they found that actually, the reasons for the opinions of university grads were really no better founded than those of anyone else. The big difference was they were able to justify them more effectively. That is, they fell into the trap the wise always warn about with education - using it to simply justify your already formed opinions. And worse, they fall for their own justifications.

In any case, many universities today completely fail to incalculable any real ability to process complex though, and instead seem to be almost anti-intellectual.

Crikeyalmighty · 03/08/2022 13:51

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Midnightblack · 03/08/2022 13:51

What’s the point about the countries where you’re killed for being gay?
Can’t we take it as given that we all abhor that?

Mississipi71 · 03/08/2022 14:00

Midnightblack · 03/08/2022 13:51

What’s the point about the countries where you’re killed for being gay?
Can’t we take it as given that we all abhor that?

Really? Rarely hear it expressed though and is very relevant, given that Tory and their voters are accused of every ism / phobia under the sun. So I repeat, there is one reason why that abhorrent issue remains explictly untouched. We can't have Tory haters getting themselves into a spin can we.