To feel angry at Tory voters?

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DF has always voted Tory. He’s very anti immigration and we will never see each other’s POV.
DHs friends are all Tory voters and hate being with them as they are all racist, xenophobic & misogynistic.
Other Tory voters I know through work or extended family members are also xenophobic and casually racist.
I’ve spoken to friends about this and they agree that the Tory voters they personally know are also racist and xenophobic.
Why is this?
Me and DH lived abroad and as we've lived as ‘foreigners’, we don’t share their views.

Personally, i would have some sort of test for the e.g. over 75s to vote, after all, a late change of Will, esp if it had a major alteration, would be accompanied with some sort cognitive assessment by any solicitor keen to avoid a challenge.

Awesome! Another layer of bureaucracy and cost to the public purse.

Let's not stop with banning the elderly from voting unless they pass the test. Perhaps we could extend this testing requirement to the whole of the population with a 100 question multiple choice assessment on the U.K. political system?

For what it's worth, while I may not agree with some of the views of my parents' generation, their life experience isn't to be underestimated. Particularly given that they lived through the Second World War. And, like all voters, they deserve some respect.

@AndreaC74 It didn't really prosper under 9 years of the Tory's either, prior to Johnson- they voted that way because labour have a very split vote- some of it younger , educated , liberal and often city dwelling -- and then plenty of former labour voters whose views align closely with ukip , who aren't liberal, often quite racist , not woke and not very EU minded and as the Tory's have effectively turned into UKIP then their views aligned more closely with the current Tory's. The Tory's aren't daft - they know there are a lot of votes to be had playing the UKIP game.

And how many people did the reporter speak to to find that satisfying piece of footage that would sooth the upset remained that the people who voted leave were idiot racists and not people who used their vote to give the government a kicking, or to improve accountability for political decisions?

I notice ch4 were off like a shot to a working men's club in Hartlepool to ask those highly representative constituents, drinking pints at 11am, why they voted the way they did. How helpful. When was the last time they canvassed in pubs on a morning to do a vox pop?

@lot123 - my father in law is 82 and he doesn't think over 75s should have had a vote in the referendum , and he's a Tory- or was should I say . His view is it's not my future it's affecting or my work or a business.

Yes, that’s a pretty fair summing up, I guess.

This is why we all end up falling out, despite you, apparently, being so keen not too....
You come back with a load of out of context twaddle, instead of looking at the context of (the PP) not allowing 16yo's to vote because they too silly.

As for your parents generation, they'd be in their late 80s to have any real memory of the war as child, if they fought in it, well done to them, they are very close to being 100yo.

Whether they have life experiences or not, the reality is that older people with severe mental impairment can vote and do.

Sorry OP I was bang out of order for what I said to about you.
MNHQ have had a word with me and quite rightly so. Obviously it upset you and again I apologise

Personally, i would have some sort of test for the e.g. over 75s to vote

Andrea, did you agree with the poster who said that older people’s vote in the EU referendum should carry less weight than younger people’s? (The poster never returned to answer questions how this would work or what was the cut off age).

What form would the test you want take? Maybe “What party are you intending to vote for?” and those who say Tory would have their vote removed?

Johnson, at heart, is a Remainer. He adopted Leave in order to advance politically. It wasn't long before the referendum that he was saying that nobody serious was advocating leaving the EU.
Vote Leave and the likes of Nigel Farage knew what buttons to press in order to get their victory. They played upon fears of immigration. Remember the Breaking Point poster. We can accept that there are good reasons to listen to peoples' anxieties about immigration, and having such anxieties does not automatically make someone a dreadful person - we need to be better at listening in this country - but let's not pretend that a strong wish to keep the 'other' away from this country wasn't a key element of the Leave movement.

What form would the test you want take?

I imagine the capacity tests they give older people in A&E to check that they’re competent to consent to treatment would work. If you don’t know who the PM is or what year it is you’re really out competent to vote. Incidentally I still don’t think it’s a great idea.

You can be angry with me all you want. You certainly won't be changing my political preference. In fact, it never surprises me how many of those intolerant of other's peoples votes, are too arrogant to see the irony.

As for your parents generation, they'd be in their late 80s to have any real memory of the war as child, if they fought in it, well done to them, they are very close to being 100yo.

They are indeed in their late 80s, and a lot sharper than my now-able-to-vote teenager. They also remember their parents going off to fight. Credit to my father, he's produced a 100 page diary of his life whereas I struggle to remember what I did last week.

Given the 70 odd million people in the U.K., I doubt there's too enough mentally incompetent elderly people to dramatically change the outcome of a vote. Even if you assigned them to the marginal constituencies.

But, above that, I think it's dangerous territory to start filtering who you allow to vote. It's great we live in a democratic society, changing voting rules seems a rather backwards step.

Tests for the over 75s to vote? ..and the entitlement keeps on coming. Absolutely unreal. Are you a Tory voter? Yes. Oh well, you must be mentally unwell if you vote Tory. Where do you even begin to unravel such arrogant thinking? To think the fight for the women's vote was surrounded by injustice and intolerance, you know insular rationale. I honestly believe those who take offence at anything and everything are those who are taking us backwards.

I think if you have a dementia diagnosis, then why should you be able to vote? you'd not be allowed to drive.
But the law is different, you can have no MC, with all decisions made by someone else but you can still vote....

BUT again context !!! my post was in response to the OP who said 16yo's should not be allowed to vote.

No i wouldn't pro rata voting or have a questionnaire and take away rights of Tory voters lol!
Being able to vote is a vital, hard fought right but it also carries responsibility, hence not allowing 16yo's to vote.... but neither would i allow a vote which cannot be revisited for decades either.

These things should be decided through a GE, not one off votes.

My goodness, the anti democratic sentiment here is horrific. Why I am not shocked that left wingers lean towards the authoritarian? Can't be allowing 'wrong think', can we?

Such tests wouldn’t just apply to Tory voters @Mississipi71. Personally, I think the sanity of anyone who voted for a Corbyn led government is debatable, despite my life long socialist voting habits. I spoilt my paper in 2019.

I can't believe this hideous thread is still up. It's definitely bringing out the worst of some people on here (people on the hard left.)

I don't know anyone who has these views in real life, but message forums like this - and also Twitter - are peppered with the hard left and their vile comments about Tory voters. I don't vote Tory, and never have and never will, but the comments about the Tory voters on here (from some) are actually sick.

But, above that, I think it's dangerous territory to start filtering who you allow to vote. It's great we live in a democratic society, changing voting rules seems a rather backwards step

Of course it is but depending on the filters a number of mumsnetters would disagree.
In 2016 just after the referendum, a poster suggested that voters should take an intelligence test before they were allowed to vote.
It was surprising how few objections there were to this undemocratic proposal.

But, above that, I think it's dangerous territory to start filtering who you allow to vote. It's great we live in a democratic society, changing voting rules seems a rather backwards step

But we do, 16 yo's aren't allowed to vote but someone with no MC can.

Its not about numbers, i doubt very many 16 or 17 yo's would vote but there is no reason to deny them this right, esp when it comes referendums on issues with very long and irreversible effects.

Luckily the Alzheimer’s Society has a view on it. They’re probably used to people pushing to take away the right for others to vote.

www.alzheimers.org.uk/blog/can-people-with-dementia-vote

‘No one can be prevented from voting just because they have dementia.

It is important we send this message far and wide to ensure that people with dementia have an equal voice in their communities up and down the country.’

It was right wing poster who had 10 or 12 posts deleted, if you don't like the thread or think its vile, report it and MN will take it down if they agree or do you want to stifle honest debate?
Voting Labour isn't yet a criminal offence.

Yes agree re anti democratic sentiment

In which case I think the Alzheimer’s Society is absolutely deluded. Anyone who has had a relative with dementia would realise how ridiculous that is. Effectively it’s giving whoever takes them to the polling station two votes. My mum had no interest in voting as her condition worsened but I wouldn’t have taken her to do so if she had.

It’s funny how someone just said the left are authoritarian given that this current lot are the most authoritarian, fascist government I’ve seen in my life so far.

....but perfectly ok to deny 16yo's the vote because they might not vote the way you want.

The hypocrisy is laughable.