To feel angry at Tory voters?

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DF has always voted Tory. He’s very anti immigration and we will never see each other’s POV.
DHs friends are all Tory voters and hate being with them as they are all racist, xenophobic & misogynistic.
Other Tory voters I know through work or extended family members are also xenophobic and casually racist.
I’ve spoken to friends about this and they agree that the Tory voters they personally know are also racist and xenophobic.
Why is this?
Me and DH lived abroad and as we've lived as ‘foreigners’, we don’t share their views.

@lot123 again, you have interpreted the post exactly how you wanted, you have chosen to be insulted. I didn’t say any individual was stupid, I said collective statistics show that the majority of leave voters weren’t very highly educated. That’s just what the statistics show, and whether you like it or not, a hell of a lot of leave voters voted on the basis of ignorance and racism, I know that for a fact because 99.9% of Brexiteers I’ve come across are racist, and it’s too much of a coincidence to just be a minority.

Lack of education and ignorance, in general, go hand in hand.

You also see them all over social media spouting their venom about ‘’forreners’’ 🤣

I reiterate that although I am fully aware not everyone voted out of racism or stupidity, had that not been a major factor then we would still be in.

The intellectual superiority of the "elite" has always been an affront. One bright spark made the suggestion that only graduates should be allowed a vote in the 2016 Referendum.

I agree. The irony is that dismissing alternative viewpoints is the anthesis of academic, if not intellectual, excellence, where you're encouraged to consider a wide range of alternative viewpoints before coming to a well-balanced conclusion.

If you insist on using a filter to assess the validity of people's voting choices, surely you'd choose keeping up with current affairs over some dusty qualifications from years ago?

Oh yes, most people seem to make the observation between Brexiteers being racist and/or xenophobic as well. How peculiar 🤔 if there’s no link then it’s one of the biggest coincidences I’ve ever seen.

Scurryfunge12 I wasn't referring to your post.

@lot123 i was the one that mentioned qualifications, and no, I don’t think I’m superior.

I was just making the observation that an overwhelming amount of Brexiteers happen to be racist, which in itself coincides with education.

I can’t see anyone else has mentioned it. I’m not trying to be superior, I was trying to drive home the point that I can understand the anger from the remain side when a lot of the leave voters are prejudiced, and in the end it was an act of economic self harm regardless of reasoning.

Actually, it wasn't in response to any one post but intelligence as a theme over quite a few of the recent MN political threads. The word "stupid" has been used repeatedly.

I was just making the observation that an overwhelming amount of Brexiteers happen to be racist, which in itself coincides with education.

How do you know this? That an "overwhelming amount" of them happen to be racist? That's a genuine question btw.

@LondonWolf I live in a strong leave area and I know that the majority of leave voters here are racist and voted because they openly hated Polish and Romanian immigrants, and still bang on now about foreign people coming here.

I also have friends in major leave areas who have observed the same, and on SM I also come across bigot Brexiteers a LOT. You can tell them a mile off.

Like I said, if there’s no link, then it’s the biggest coincidence in history.

@Scurryfunge12 What's your thoughts then on the SNP and their wanting to reduce the voting age to 16 then? Most 16yos will have little formal qualifications.

@MichelleScarn I’m not sure where I stand on that. I think politics should be taught at school, though. I wasn’t talking about voting in general, I was talking about Brexit and racism, and how lack of education makes someone far more likely to be racist, and it just so happens that most leave voters happened to be in both demographics so I can understand why remainers don’t get along with them in the main.

Of course that isn’t a guarantee, look at Johnson! There are always exceptions to the rules.

You've done a survey have you? With at least 1,000 people and 999 of them were racist?

I find it ironic that at the same time that we're looking at raising the smoking age to 21 and the marriage age to 18 (although I think Scotland is sticking with 16) that we're also dropping the voting age to 16. No good reason has been given for 16 year olds being able to vote, except that the governing party (SNP, Welsh Labour etc.) thinks that allowing kids to vote would be in its electoral interest.

My constituency voted overwhelmingly for Brexit and the area has a racism issue, and whenever I’ve asked anyone, and I’ve asked quite a few, I’ve yet to hear a sensible answer. I just get ‘’I’m not racist, I voted because of hoovers’’ or something equally ridiculous 🤣

I'm guessing that Labour don't want all of their racist and uneducated former voters back then?

Of course they were all racist, the fact that MPs had been pointing at the EU and blaming their ideologically driven policy was actually mandated by EU rules for 30 years had absolutely nothing to do do with it. It was all about racism. Not that voters had been told that their local heavy industries had to fall because the EU had them over a barrell.

It wasn't the fault of politicians at all.

They were all salt of the earth working class voters when the constituencies were red. They only became thick racist idiots when they turned blue.

Perhaps they will all morph back to their former useful narratological glory if those bastards would just vote Labour again?

I have already said multiple times that I know it’s not all to do with racism, but that was a big factor in people’s reasoning.

Anybody who voted for another reason, why are you letting that worry you?

Let's not forget all the people who chose not to stop Brexit at the 2019 General Election, when there was a clear choice between Brexit parties or the LibDems.
All racist too?

I voted remain, I just take issue with you gross generalisations and lack of critical insight.

To be fair here, the people opposing it are doing so because they think its not their their electoral interests either.

As for kids? i'd class most 18yo's as kids too.

Personally, i would have some sort of test for the e.g. over 75s to vote, after all, a late change of Will, esp if it had a major alteration, would be accompanied with some sort cognitive assessment by any solicitor keen to avoid a challenge.

Wont happen of course but if your against 16yo's because they are immature or lack understanding, then that applies (perhaps more so) at the other end of the age spectrum too.

They were all salt of the earth working class voters when the constituencies were red. They only became thick racist idiots when they turned blue

They lost their senses, not to mention any instinct for survival in 2016. There are very few immigrants in Sunderland where the biggest employer, Nissan, warned that leaving the EU would have a severe impact on its business which it might take elsewhere. So what happened? Sunderland overwhelmingly voted leave because of the immigration threat to its jobs.

It’s a complete mystery to me why swathes of the country that lost most of its industry and jobs thanks to Thatcher would think its salvation lay with her heirs. I’d love someone to explain it to me.

@Blossomtoes I think the 2019 GE was as much a "We don't want Corbyn" as it was we want Brexit and Boris.

JC was portrayed as a terrorist sympathizer and Labours manifesto had far far too many give a ways.

The North of England never prospered under 13 years of Labour, people could see that and voted for change, Johnson is great orator and can win people over with his optimism and charm, he effectively convinced people he was a new Government and the previous 10 years of Austerity were nothing to do with him... .... all rubbish but people like to be led & believe in something.

Don't think "most" brexit supporters were racist, anti immigration doesn't automatically make you a racist.

I give you the example of 'Man on market in Mansfield' - it's a frequently shown clip and happens to be my birth town and where I lived till I was 29.

Asked by a TV reporter about immigration and the EU and voting leave he said 'I don't have any problem with the Polish or Romanians- they come here and work hard - it's all those Muslims I don't want, Syrians, Indians, Pakis(sic) '

When asked by the reporter what this had to do with the EU - he looked like a startled rabbit in headlights and walked off

And this mumsnetters is why there is a problem- far too many people thought like this and totally misunderstood the situation and had zero idea of why economically it puts us at the bottom of the heap for growth and investment and instead of levelling up is why many areas will be levelling down.

My Facebook and Twitter at the time was flooded with absolute vitriol , some trolls, some not , about stuff relating to Muslims, Polish, Romanians, (but mainly Asians and some Africans) - embarrassingly a lot of this (when it clearly wasn't a troll) was from white working class middle aged women .

Anyone thinking xenophobia isn't huge in the UK clearly hasn't seen enough of the UK , particularly in towns in certain parts of the country or doesn't follow political stuff on Facebook/twitter.

@FourTeaFallOut I didn’t say it was ‘’all about racism’’ just that I observed that to be a big factor given what I and others from different areas have seen and heard, plus the voting statistics.

I know there were other reasons, but as the saying goes ‘’not every Brexiteer is a racist, but every racist is a Brexiteer’’