To feel angry at Tory voters?

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DF has always voted Tory. He’s very anti immigration and we will never see each other’s POV.
DHs friends are all Tory voters and hate being with them as they are all racist, xenophobic & misogynistic.
Other Tory voters I know through work or extended family members are also xenophobic and casually racist.
I’ve spoken to friends about this and they agree that the Tory voters they personally know are also racist and xenophobic.
Why is this?
Me and DH lived abroad and as we've lived as ‘foreigners’, we don’t share their views.

Corbyn? Probably the single reason the Tories got such a large majority, they'd have won anyway under any leader, as we see now with the closing of the polls, after BJ said he would leave.

I m not a Labour member but i did support him to start with but he just went too far, shame really as many of his policies have been adopted by the Govt or by Truss, the latest is the A level to Uni results one.

However, Truss is such a fool, so Labour should have a great opportunity at the next GE, i mean who comes out with a firm policy on Region pay, without any idea it would mean lower pay for poorer Northern areas? the very areas that got them their majority?

I'm sure you actually know lots more tory voters but they just get on with their lives and just vote tory at the ballot box without telling you the ins and outs of their political leaning. My db is a tory party member. I don't agree with his political views but that doesnt mean he's racist etc etc. It means we have differing political views.

I’m sure many people do always vote for the same party no matter what.

I'm a Conservative voter for this reason, I'd never vote Labour or Lib Dem as I don't agree with their political ideologies. I'm sure the same is true for many voters of those parties.

I'd be open to voting for a different party if a new one emerged that better fitted my political beliefs. I've liked some PMs more than others. Boris became a shambles and rightly went.

I think recent Conservative policy, particularly under Boris, has been more centrist than in other Conservative governments. I'm not sure Sunak or Truss are the answer to a new dawn. I can think of two big hitters that would have a better grasp of public thinking but one's left politics and the other has a face that has never fitted.

I'm a Conservative voter for this reason, I'd never vote Labour or Lib Dem as I don't agree with their political ideologies. I'm sure the same is true for many voters of those parties
I'd be open to voting for a different party if a new one emerged that better fitted my political beliefs. I've liked some PMs more than others. Boris became a shambles and rightly went

I'm always open to new policies & don't hold to a party like a football team.
Parties change too, the centre is fluid! Tories since Cameron have been a completely different beast to Thatcher, let alone Heath.

I 've voted Tory before, several times Tory but they changed, not me, i would have voted for a Grieve or an Ellwood but the party seems intent of driving further to the right, some of the current or former cab members have held some very extreme views as younger MPs.

Boris was a shambles long before he became PM, a chaotic man, done more damage to how this country functions than any previous PM, very hard to know what he believes in as neither does he, its all about power, not ideology.

I would guess that the reason why remainers feel that they would struggle to get along with Brexiteers is because Brexit was largely won due to ignorance, stupidity, racism and xenophobia, or any combo of those. I certainly wouldn’t want to associate with people who are ignorant and hold these views.

(Disclaimer: I’m aware that not everyone voted for those reasons, but had they not been a big factor then we’d still be in the EU) it’s interesting also that a lot of leave voters had no formal qualifications.

it’s interesting also that a lot of leave voters had no formal qualifications

my parents and my husbands parents had very few/no formal qualifications

doesnt made them stupid however they voted…just makes them from a generation that many didn’t have the opportunity to do formal qualifications

@RufustheFloralmissingreindeer ahh, I didn’t say they were stupid, I said a lot of the voters were any combination of those factors, and that I knew that not everyone voted for those reasons.

I’m also aware that not everyone with no quals is stupid, but there is a strong association between education and ignorance, particularly racist and hateful views. Look if you don’t believe me.

I don’t think it’s any co-incidence.

The many many floating voters I know / have known are superficially interested in politics & far more swayed by the media & the cult of personality. Please don't lecture me on my understanding of politics. It's one of my main passions

in theory im a floating voter (float more round the centerist left side) so I don’t recognise any of this….my children would be laughing at the idea that im swayed by the cult of personality and have a superficial interest in politics 😀

(dd wishes that i only had a superficial interest in politics 🤔 when her brothers, both of whom have a passion for politics due to my influence, and i get to together theres always a debate)

I heard a discussion by 2 people at work yesterday (public facing role) that did make me despair. They liked Liz Truss and thought that she 'gets things done' (unspecified). One of them said she wished Truss was her mum. Great.

I know people who had to work with Truss in the past and they are telling me that she has little idea what she's doing and focuses on irrelevancies. This fits entirely with what we're seeing now she's under more scrutiny.

I look.at Johnson, who brought this frankly poor collection into Cabinet/national prominence and sacked senior people purely so that he could break a parliamentary logjam, and I think he was barely a politician, just a destroyer.

I’m also aware that not everyone with no quals is stupid, but there is a strong association between education and ignorance, particularly racist and hateful views. Look if you don’t believe me

there are very many other factors age, upbringing, class, money etc all of which feed into lack of qualifications

im not attempting to say its down to just one thing…

Are some people mistaking all floating voters as apathetic voters? How odd. I think tribalism is lazy. It allows you to pick a side and check out, nod along sagely simply assuming they continue in the same spirit as they did when you signed up. Being willing to continually interrogate the options available to you, the changing policy and direction, takes work. You can't moon into the voting booth, pick your favourite colour and get on with your day.

‘Look if you don’t believe me’ 😒

for brexit there was also a strong correlation between age and voting which obviously influenced the ‘lack of formal qualifications’ part

and people, not necessarily you, wouldn’t be talking about formal qualifications’ if they didn’t think that the ‘lack’ was down to someone voting ‘wrong’

@RufustheFloralmissingreindeer like I said, not everyone who voted for Brexit voted for those reasons but lack of education breeds ignorance, and we know that statistically, a majority of leave voters were not educated highly, if at all.

There will be exceptions to the rule but on a population level they were major contributors to why we have left.

I haven’t seen any real discernible benefits yet either.

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well one poster is at least 😀

OP change the title to Brexit voters and I would agree with you.

I am angry at Labour, for having allowed the unions to select the wrong, unelectable Miliband, and thus (IMO) having eventually landed us with Cameron and the subsequent shit show.

And for having subsequently chosen the equally unelectable Corbyn, which landed us with Boris.

@MrsTerryPratchett , until Labour realise what they need to do to actually win a general election, I.e. select a leader with a broad appeal, to attract wavering, middle-of-the-road voters, it’s going to be the same all over again.

Has anyone else seen the reported study on social mobility, published by the New York Times that suggests that poor children with friends from more prosperous homes tend to earn more than those without?

Sathnam Sanghera is very clear-sighted about how much his experience of a scholarship to an independent school and university transformed him and his ambitions. It's in today's (Wed 3 Aug) Times for those with access.

No need, that thread can be found, it was the exact title of a thread posted only a few days ago. Apparently everyone hates everyone and it's all everyone's fault. Conversations are out and hate is the political capital of the day. The only people winning is lazy mps who can rely on signposting your hatred instead of doing any hard work and engaging in complicated, nuance and compromised debate.

I understand all of this but if I were to not vote for Labour, I would vote Green or Lib Dem. Never Tory. In the last election I found it v difficult as I don't like Corbyn & I have a Corbynite MP. However I live in a bell weather seat & I hate Johnson & the Tories more.

I understand all of this but if I were to not vote for Labour, I would vote Green or Lib Dem. Never Tory

thats still a floating voter…

Actually…

that thread started on aibu and was moved to the brexit board

this one by that logic should be on the politics board

wonder why its not been moved 🤔

personally i think there shouldn’t be a brexit board anymore

If the point of this thread is to encourage (respectful) debate, calling people stupid for having a different view isn't going to do it.

I voted Leave. I'm not a fan of using qualifications as a measure of the validity of people's rationale for voting. I think it's reductive and frankly insulting to people that may have not prospered academically at school but are savvy and thoughtful about their voting choices.

My fellow Leave voters are all graduates from leading universities, some (including me) have additional professional qualifications, and I doubt many would be in their demanding jobs if they were as stupid as they're portrayed.

It's the intellectual superiority that I find so odd in these threads. There's no right/wrong or good/evil. I have friends who voted Remain and are lifelong Labour supporters. Their view is as valid as mine even though we came to different conclusions when deciding how to vote.

I don't need to insult them by calling them stupid, zenophobic, heartless or whatever other insults are trotted out with regularity on these threads. If you believe that you can challenge and change people's political views, this isn't the best way to encourage debate.

Tbh I prefer the Brexit board as it’s easier to avoid if you want to

Having it there that is..

The intellectual superiority of the "elite" has always been an affront. One bright spark made the suggestion that only graduates should be allowed a vote in the 2016 Referendum. This would have disenfranchised swathes of older people including my parents and in-laws. Both men were pilots; both mothers SRNs. Degrees were not 10 a penny until the 1990s.