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To feel angry at Tory voters?

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Dottodo · 02/08/2022 00:52

DF has always voted Tory. He’s very anti immigration and we will never see each other’s POV.
DHs friends are all Tory voters and hate being with them as they are all racist, xenophobic & misogynistic.
Other Tory voters I know through work or extended family members are also xenophobic and casually racist.
I’ve spoken to friends about this and they agree that the Tory voters they personally know are also racist and xenophobic.
Why is this?
Me and DH lived abroad and as we've lived as ‘foreigners’, we don’t share their views.

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Midnightblack · 02/08/2022 21:28

MsPincher · 02/08/2022 21:21

so but no one is starving to death in the uk due to not having enough money. Disability benefits in the uk easily give enough for food.

there are limits as to what the state can do. We can try to help people but it’s not always possible. To some degree I think we need to look at things a bit more objectively rather than just hate people who vote against our self interest.

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Food bank workers are reporting how they are feeding people who haven’t eaten for four days, and they are running out of food. People may not be actually starving, but some are getting very under-nourished.

Govesdancingpartner · 02/08/2022 21:28

Clearly the tories were voted in did you miss that Boris Johnson the leader of the Conservative party is the Prime minister
Shame for you your political views are in the minority where as mine are shared by the sensible people that vote tory

Midnightblack · 02/08/2022 21:29

May I join your coalition xing? I would have accepted the situation you described. I’d also have found it the fairest and most democratic solution.

Onlyhereforthebatshitneighbours · 02/08/2022 21:32

Govesdancingpartner · 02/08/2022 21:28

Clearly the tories were voted in did you miss that Boris Johnson the leader of the Conservative party is the Prime minister
Shame for you your political views are in the minority where as mine are shared by the sensible people that vote tory

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luckylavender · 02/08/2022 21:33

@MarshaBradyo - at what point did I say I don't understand what floating voters do? Of course I understand what they do. I don't understand how they can do it. The many many floating voters I know / have known are superficially interested in politics & far more swayed by the media & the cult of personality. Please don't lecture me on my understanding of politics. It's one of my main passions.

luckylavender · 02/08/2022 21:43

Blossomtoes · 02/08/2022 20:45

Brexit was just one political issue, do you insist on absolute alignment on every issue in the same way?

I’m an old school socialist married to a Tory party member so obviously not. The referendum was the only occasion on which we’ve voted the same way. No Brexiteer would be able to cope with my views.

Exactly the same as me. Lefty married to a Tory. Both Remainers. Both find Brexit incomprehensible & inexcusable.

XingMing · 02/08/2022 21:46

Nobody who works for us, including the people who funded and created the company, is taking the piss on salary or dividends. Their partners may work in the NHS, or as dog walkers, and in the extreme SW, Liz Truss's withdrawn suggestion of regional salary scales speaks to the fact that earning a national public sector scale, even as a teacher or a nurse, mens you are earning 15% more than most working people, with an index linked pension too.

rusticaflores · 02/08/2022 21:49

so but no one is starving to death in the uk due to not having enough money. Disability benefits in the uk easily give enough for food.

Your post is exactly what I meant by those who do not wish to see.

"Disability benefits in the UK" as you put it - are extremely difficult to get. People are often denied time and time again and have to fight for literally years and go to tribunal to get them. Disabled people who cannot work and have no choice but to rely on this corrupt system.

What would you prefer we do then in the meantime whilst we wait? starve?

Or maybe you are one of those who thinks foodbanks are 'uplifting'.

It's not in my own 'self interest' either. Having been through it I would never vote for others to go through the same treatment.

See also the state of the NHS.

MarshaBradyo · 02/08/2022 21:50

luckylavender · 02/08/2022 21:33

@MarshaBradyo - at what point did I say I don't understand what floating voters do? Of course I understand what they do. I don't understand how they can do it. The many many floating voters I know / have known are superficially interested in politics & far more swayed by the media & the cult of personality. Please don't lecture me on my understanding of politics. It's one of my main passions.

I’m sure many people do always vote for the same party no matter what.

It’s a different mindset and fine up to them, I think parties need to appeal to the middle ground people who swing though to win.

One benefit is a landslide is usually in the centrist’s favour as they make up many of the votes.

wherearebeefandonioncrisps · 02/08/2022 21:54

Honestly? Xenophobics are extreme.
They don't , generally, represent the Conservatives.
I live in a , sadly, Nigel Farage territory and have often heard xenophobic things around these parts.

It's very right wing but these voters will only vote Tory as it's the closest they'll get to true extreme right wing ideological thinking. The National Front , and all its variants, will never be voted in.

I find it very scary but I keep silent. I don't like confrontation.

The irony is... conservatism is all encompassing.

And no, I'm not a Tory but sad that xenophobic extremists have hijacked the party.
I'm not a fan of Thatcher but she would turn in her grave at some of these extreme views.

AndreaC74 · 02/08/2022 21:55

XingMing · 02/08/2022 21:46

Nobody who works for us, including the people who funded and created the company, is taking the piss on salary or dividends. Their partners may work in the NHS, or as dog walkers, and in the extreme SW, Liz Truss's withdrawn suggestion of regional salary scales speaks to the fact that earning a national public sector scale, even as a teacher or a nurse, mens you are earning 15% more than most working people, with an index linked pension too.

Got evidence for that?
I live in the Cornwall and whilst many are on low wages many many more are not and don't work public sector, inc me!

Trades people in particular are doing well, as are Telecoms, Babcock, Western Power, EDF, multitude on insurance companies, working out of Truro, Plymouth and Exeter, boat yards have done extremely well... as have estate agents, the colleges and uni's down here also pay well.

Why does it always have to be a race to the bottom?

If you pay poorly, maybe have another look?

MangyInseam · 02/08/2022 21:59

luckylavender · 02/08/2022 21:43

Exactly the same as me. Lefty married to a Tory. Both Remainers. Both find Brexit incomprehensible & inexcusable.

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I really don't understand how it can be so difficult? Corbyn was a leaver from way back, as were most members of the LP, did you always find the reasons for that so difficult to understand? Or among conservatives, someone like Roger Scrunton, who was nothing if not a careful thinker?

Disagreement is one thing but incomprehensible?

XingMing · 02/08/2022 22:02

@AndreaC74 we are in that sector, in a very specialist trade, in that region and we pay very well.

XingMing · 02/08/2022 22:04

We have to, or our skilled people would be poached.

DdraigGoch · 02/08/2022 22:44

Blossomtoes · 02/08/2022 20:45

Brexit was just one political issue, do you insist on absolute alignment on every issue in the same way?

I’m an old school socialist married to a Tory party member so obviously not. The referendum was the only occasion on which we’ve voted the same way. No Brexiteer would be able to cope with my views.

Really? Unless your views are "anyone who voted to leave should be strung up from the nearest lamp post", why would no one be able to move past politics with you?

Discovereads · 02/08/2022 22:52

MsPincher · 02/08/2022 21:21

so but no one is starving to death in the uk due to not having enough money. Disability benefits in the uk easily give enough for food.

there are limits as to what the state can do. We can try to help people but it’s not always possible. To some degree I think we need to look at things a bit more objectively rather than just hate people who vote against our self interest.

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No has starved to death?
Errol Graham
Mark Wood
David Clapson

An inquiry found over a 1,000 deaths linked to wrongful benefits cuts or too low benefits. One mum, Elaine Morrell, froze to death while her DC were at school. She was 38yrs old.

worriedatthistime · 02/08/2022 22:57

And you are obviously quite small minded if you just assume a whole group of people are the same
You know it won't of been all white people that voted Tory

worriedatthistime · 02/08/2022 23:06

@Midnightblack I wAs in this position under a labour goverment , the difference is there were no food banks
No party can make it perfect for everyone ,

jcyclops · 02/08/2022 23:32

What I always find ironic in threads like these, is that so many people don't realise that for Labour to win an election, it is essential to attract Tory voters to vote Labour instead. The only realistic way to do this is to abandon, or kick into the long grass, many of the sacred cows beloved by the exteme left, and adopt policies that said Tory voters don't find unpalatable. Tony Blair realised this, and there are one or two signs that Keir Starmer is finally realising that pragmatism is preferable to left wing dogma.

Labour politicians and supporters who think that all Tories are racist, xenophobic scum who ought to be strung up are not appealing to the voters they need to win an election.

Blossomtoes · 02/08/2022 23:39

DdraigGoch · 02/08/2022 22:44

Really? Unless your views are "anyone who voted to leave should be strung up from the nearest lamp post", why would no one be able to move past politics with you?

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It’s pretty obvious that I can move past politics, given that my bloke and I are opposite sides of the political divide, isn’t it? We’d both have had difficulty if the other had decided to vote leave.

MangyInseam · 02/08/2022 23:43

I think Starmer realizes this is a real problem, he just doesn't seem to be able to fix it. Maybe it was last year, he did some kind of announcement or something with a flag behind him, and there were LP members that flipped out that he was being nationalistic. Arguably it was a bit of a clumsy attempt to appeal to people turned off by the way certain segments of the left behave around love of country, but it certainly didn't signify some kind of descent into ethnic cleansing.

I can't decide if I think Starmer is a weak leader himself or if it's just something to do with the LP that they can't discipline themselves to get behind a leader.

MangyInseam · 02/08/2022 23:45

Hmm just realized I typed "Scrunton" up above, obviously I meant Roger Scruton. I expect I left an n out somewhere else and it wanted in.

YesitsBess · 02/08/2022 23:53

I was raised by Socialist worker parents, my father went on to be a Union boss. I am and will vote small c Conservative. I understand the problems, but I also know from years of being brought up in that household that the Unions etc etc are just as much a bunch of liars as the Tories are. Which is a shame, I was brought up to respect them.

I have no political home at the moment which is devastating.

Midnightblack · 03/08/2022 00:04

worriedatthistime · 02/08/2022 23:06

@Midnightblack I wAs in this position under a labour goverment , the difference is there were no food banks
No party can make it perfect for everyone ,

I’m sorry to hear that. Nobody should live like that under any government. The number of new food banks since the Tories came into power would indicate that the problem is worse under them though.

user1477391263 · 03/08/2022 04:18

I find the Conservative party as it is now deeply pathetic. However, last time we had a choice between the Tories and Corbyn. I know some people who voted Tory for the reasons you talk about. I know others who voted Tory because they felt they had little choice--Corbyn was just too, too, too bloody awful. I don't blame them for feeling conflicted and for hating both choices. The Labour members who put Corbyn at the head of the party need to feel some serious guilt and shame about their decision, IMO (they don't, of course).