To feel angry at Tory voters?

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DF has always voted Tory. He’s very anti immigration and we will never see each other’s POV.
DHs friends are all Tory voters and hate being with them as they are all racist, xenophobic & misogynistic.
Other Tory voters I know through work or extended family members are also xenophobic and casually racist.
I’ve spoken to friends about this and they agree that the Tory voters they personally know are also racist and xenophobic.
Why is this?
Me and DH lived abroad and as we've lived as ‘foreigners’, we don’t share their views.

Totally and utterly agree with every word you've written.

See, it is possible for both sides to agree :)

I realize this post is pages back now, but you do know what happened with the French Revolution, right? Why someone might point to it as a failure related to ideology?

Totally a failure. Class genocide (guillotining all men, women and children of aristocratic blood) isn’t really something to celebrate. Of course, let’s not forget that the women/girls were often gang raped before they were executed.

Daily Mail are always going to hate every Labour leader and give them an awful time. Nothing Starmer tries to do to appease them will change that.

Of course no government can control global factors. But if tories instead of asset stripping and handing contracts to their mates, had invested properly in our energy security, building insulation, green transport infrastructure, as a nation we’d be in a much better position for weathering the cost of living storm, which they are completely under preparing for. It’s a mess.

I think the political-classist trope is the most damaging for all our prosperity. Today's stupid anecdote... DH who started a small engineering business and who is aiming to retire as soon as he can, after 35 years, found himself without a qualified fork lift operator today, with 11 pallets of stuff, with a six-figure value, to unload. So he did the unloading, fairly competently as he once held a commercial ticket, because the insurance would not have covered anyone else.

Of course, it's trivial, especially to a big company, but when there are only eight employees and six are out on site, there was only the owner-founder and an inexperienced junior keeping things working. Under the circumstances, keeping the balls aloft means depends on having the ability to make it up on the fly.

I sometimes think that most people who work to a written job description, as is standard in public service and the corporate world, don't have a clue. In SMEs, there isn't a replacement or a substitute on standby, but the work has to be done -- or there is no business to pay the wages bill. And a lot more people work for small companies than for large ones.

Even with the DM I wouldn’t say it was a done deal, eg look at the polls. The media has certainly damaged Cons enough over partygate etc

@XingMing
I sometimes think that most people who work to a written job description, as is standard in public service and the corporate world, don't have a clue

I worked in public service, and yes we had written job descriptions but on every job description was a little cherry that read “Other duties as assigned” which basically meant anything needed you had to do. We may not have profit motive, but that doesn’t mean we could just sit and let things fail.

It indicates that someone is narrow-minded and reluctant to consider other points of view. Even if I agreed with whatever it was that they believed in, I'd assume that they were hard work.

You think that you have nothing at all in common with anyone who voted Brexit? Leave and Remain voters both came from a coalition of different political outlooks. There were socialists, liberals, conservatives, communists, social democrats and nationalists on both sides. People aren't black and white.

Brexit was just one political issue, do you insist on absolute alignment on every issue in the same way?

I went out recently with someone who is a pronoun-announcing, pride-attending trans ally. I am very concerned about the erosion of single-sex spaces and unfair play in sports. Did this stop us getting on well with each other? No, because each of us respected that the other was entitled to their own reasonable views, and our personalities didn't revolve around politics so we were hardly short of alternative topics to discuss.

@GrowlingManchego most of the economy is actually companies like ours, employing a handful of good competent trusted people, and paying them sensible money -- because we can't afford to lose them to our competitors. I know there are supermarkets offering 16 hrs per week expecting wages to be topped up by the taxpayer, and merchant banks paying squillions. The merchant bank is the outlier. ?esco etc are raping the economy.

Brexit was just one political issue, do you insist on absolute alignment on every issue in the same way?

I’m an old school socialist married to a Tory party member so obviously not. The referendum was the only occasion on which we’ve voted the same way. No Brexiteer would be able to cope with my views.

Actually @Blossomtoes @DdraigGoch @MarshaBradyo and a few others, I think between us, we could work out a pragmatic compromise. But the willingness to look for one has been off the agenda for too long.

Gosh, @Govesdancingpartner that's a bit conflagatory. I was hoping there was going to be a bit of an acceptance that we could coalesce around a moderate centrist position.

@MarshaBradyo Perfect example of what we on the left have to put up with - Stupid Bitches now :(

Actually @Govesdancingpartner the majority in the country voted for pro brexit anti Tory parties.

You’re probably right. I think the best thing that could happen at the next election is a hung Parliament.

Yes, I do hope @MarshaBradyo sees that before it’s deleted.

It wouldn't if she did, she is pretty set.

Oh dear she is the cats mother

Looks like whatever it was was deleted quickly, I’m glad you can only @ me to try to get me to see things - it’s intrusive enough.. Try not to care so much if I see it or not

It was done in response to your pretty outlandish claim that 90% is from the Left, that you don't care? thats up to you.

That's why I didn't tag you @AndreaC74 . We really REALLY need to coalesce around common sense policy that understands that people work for their interests first. I am happy for the rising tide to float all the boats, but there has to be enough pragmatism (a very dirty word) to acknowledge that most people put their own interests first.

On a Brexit thread on here yes I’d say so

They are usually a pile on. it’s not that I take it personally I didn’t vote for it, but it is one sided

It’s probably because people are angry and letting it out. Who knows I don’t think it’s that outlandish but there you go, it’s how it comes across

so but no one is starving to death in the uk due to not having enough money. Disability benefits in the uk easily give enough for food.

there are limits as to what the state can do. We can try to help people but it’s not always possible. To some degree I think we need to look at things a bit more objectively rather than just hate people who vote against our self interest.

Most SNP supporters I know are like this which is why I voted Tory (and also I'm not their friend)..................

If your correct, then there is no hope.

But i think your wrong, people can act in the interests of others, so there are plenty of very wealthy people who act selfishly, who might be better off under different politics to the one they support.

there are also 1000s of people who work in the NHS for little money or reward, yet transform lives, people like my DD who with her education could earn far more in another sector but you know what she said to me the other day?
"there are so many people who need help out there, to not not help them and turn away is morally wrong, there is nothing else i will ever do"

As we all age, we'll need these people and arguments on here will seem meaningless.

Fwiw DdragGoch is ok, she rides a bike :)