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Ukrainian guest …I’m not feeling comfortable

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CookieDoughKid · 30/07/2022 00:47

I’ve been hosting a Ukrainian mother and 15yo daughter since beginning of May. We get on ok although we live very different lives even before the war. She’s a SAhM and I’m a working mum full time. It’s been difficult for her to adjust because her husband used to do everything, such as banking, booking train tickets, appointments. It’s been a real learning curve having to stand on her own feet here. Fortunately she can speak some English so over time, I have been able to take a step back from supporting her on how to live in England. her dd will be taking GCSE exams next summer term.

My kids and her dd don’t like each other and don’t get on. The mother is a bit work shy in that she is very choosy about jobs being offered to her by the job agency. She does a week here or there. Nothing permanent or full time. She is not claiming UC after it was made apparent she would have to look for work or go back to work full time. Her husband is supporting her financially. I broached the subject of long term accommodation and the challenges of finding rent. I was surprised to learn they have 10000 USD saved, husband has a good job in software in Ukraine. They are prepared to rent but would rather not as they don’t want to ‘waste their money’. I know they’d rather go back home if the war was over.

I had pledged at the start to give them half of the £350 thank you money from Gov to be used as a deposit for their rent when they move on. That’s £150 a month I would give to them for the 12 months commitment. I keep £150. I know I don’t have to do it but I wanted them to feel like they have some longevity here without too much hardship. That was prior to me learning about their savings. With everything going on at home, me working full time, my two teens…I’m finding it all a bit much. The mother is lovely but so talkative and she’s always there. Sand my day is incredibly busy, I travel for work, I have my own children to look after.

what gripes me is that she also doesn’t pay a single thing or offer when I’ve said from the start she needs to sort it herself I’m talking about washing powder and sundries….she does pay her own food. I’m starting to resent the fact that she never offers to pay for dishwasher tablets, stationery paper, toilet roll, cling film, aluminium foil, washing powder, cleaning goods, kitchen napkins etc… It all adds up.

Come October, it will have been 6 months of me hosting. Would I be unreasonable to ask her to plan on moving out …I think I can tolerate them living with me to Jan 2023 (that would be 9 months in total) but she’s mentioned she wants to stay with me till next June so that her dd can sit her exams without interruption.

Should I ask for a household contribution? And what about the £150 a month I pledged? It’s not that I can’t afford it, I can but I feel I’m being taken for a ride.

she mentioned she wanted help in applying for UC housing benefit in the future which does not sit well with me knowing she is supported by her husband, has savings and is choosy with jobs?

fwiw, we both try very hard to get on. She’s helpful sith cleaning and so am I, and we have a good rhythm in sharing the kitchen etc. we don’t argue and we haven’t had any major spats.

it’s just that I am finding it hard to live with someone who is so different in outlook to me and living with us full stop. My dad was a refugee, he held down 3 jobs 7 days a week for a while and that work ethic is very strong in me (I don’t rely on my husband financially and never have but that’s my choice). I know if I was to live with someone not out of choice I would work really hard, and try to move out as soon as possible!

would like your perspective on this. I feel really guilty even thinking about asking her to move out but also, I feel they would have had 8 or 9 months free living so..isn’t that generous in itself?

OP posts:
usernamealreadytaken · 30/07/2022 09:07

Notfancyfree · 30/07/2022 07:41

The way the government just passed the buck is such a massive piss take

How has our government "passed the buck"? Other European countries opened their borders and allowed refugees in without half of the support given to hosts by our government - do you think they passed the buck too? How do you think it could have been done better - every person who volunteered did so willingly; perhaps our issue is people want to be overtly helpful, but aren't actually prepared or capable to do that in reality.

Tillsforthrills · 30/07/2022 09:09

It sounds like more of a personality clash and I can understand her wanting to stay until exams over.

As a guest in your home, she isn’t thinking about dish washing tablets.

The biggest dealbreaker would be if your children aren’t happy.

Honeysuckle9 · 30/07/2022 09:11

@Dontwanttoberudeorwastetime

No, but I have taken someone in this situation into my home, am sorting jobs for others in a similar situation to our guest, volunteered at conversational classes…..

I think the OP is frustrated and feeling like she can no longer share her home and this is how it’s coming out.

Have you put yourself out in a significant way?

lollipoprainbow · 30/07/2022 09:12

@Honeysuckle9 of course they haven't ! I asked the same and was ignored. Very good at ranting on about it though.

oopsididitagin · 30/07/2022 09:12

I'd love to know what all the virtue signallers are doing to help Ukrainian refugees, apart from sitting on their backsides and typing vitriol into their phones towards a women that's doing a fuck tonne more than they bloody are and going through it. You've done a fantastic thing OP, but now you need an exit strategy that suits both families and with long term thinking.

Dontwanttoberudeorwastetime · 30/07/2022 09:14

Honeysuckle9 · 30/07/2022 09:11

@Dontwanttoberudeorwastetime

No, but I have taken someone in this situation into my home, am sorting jobs for others in a similar situation to our guest, volunteered at conversational classes…..

I think the OP is frustrated and feeling like she can no longer share her home and this is how it’s coming out.

Have you put yourself out in a significant way?

I housed a relative for 18 months through covid so they wouldn’t have to isolate alone and could save some money to be in a better financial situation when it was all over. Is that enough? Am I morally pure enough to join in the conversation?

Januarytoes · 30/07/2022 09:14

In my town the families who are hosting like this ask for help on the local Facebook pages. Help such as:
suggestions for alternative housing,
activities and work for the mother and/or child,
appeals for furniture / equipment if they rent a place from October,
places to meet other refugees,
someone to take them to appointments etc while you are at work.
In my town people are starting to offer rooms for later when the tourist season is over.

I feel for both OP and the visitors. I have no room in my house but I would have hosted if I'd had room and I would be in this exact position myself now. My husband's parents were displaced from their home by war and had to rely on the kindness of strangers and this is a hard thing to do, especially not knowing if the war will go on for a few months or for a few years.

So OP ask your community for help. Other families might take the daughter out for the day, employ her as a babysitter or in a cafe, or find work for the mother.
Things are going well between the adults as you say but it's understandable that the kids might not get on.

You have done an admirable thing OP and I'm sorry that it's a challenge to continue to make it work.

ReadtheFT · 30/07/2022 09:15

Funny how people care(cared) so much about Ukraine because"they are like us"(eg white) and now find out that their culture is actually quite different lol. Love all the assumptions in the thread that the husbands must be controlling too.
So many were crying about Ukraine, now its time to put your hands where your mouth is.
It was obviously not walk in the park to host a stranger for months and months, but you offered so now need to keep your word.
Of course they dont want to use their savings, it s all they have to re start a life back home of that ever happens.

Quincythequince · 30/07/2022 09:15

oopsididitagin · 30/07/2022 09:12

I'd love to know what all the virtue signallers are doing to help Ukrainian refugees, apart from sitting on their backsides and typing vitriol into their phones towards a women that's doing a fuck tonne more than they bloody are and going through it. You've done a fantastic thing OP, but now you need an exit strategy that suits both families and with long term thinking.

Free tutoring and language lessons for those near me! Help with participation in local sports clubs/events by way of kit provision, and lifts to and from training/events.

And you?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/07/2022 09:16

Use the £150’s as a deposit for the new home you will help her find

Since the "offer" was housing and supporting the refugees - which the payments were supposed to help with - why would hosts be expected to use their money to pay for future accommodation too?

Good luck if you decide to approach the housing dept, OP; with the usual lack of planning the idea was clearly to dangle "6 months" in the hope that it would all magically go away or that hosts would extend indefinitely, but now that isn't working you're going to need some pretty difficult conversations.
Just don't expect much support beyond a bit of head-patting about what a wonderful thing you're doing - which may turn quickly into attacks if you decide you can't do it any more

BongoJim · 30/07/2022 09:16

Toomanybooks22 · 30/07/2022 08:36

@Suzi888 it's not fraud to apply for UC with savings you can have savings and apply for UC it's literally on the Turn2Us website advising how to apply

It will however effect how much you are entitled to. Over £16,000 and you're not entitled to anything.

Crunchyb · 30/07/2022 09:17

Most British kids are pampered and cosseted compared to many around the world and I think it would do many good to have to experience the relatively mild discomfort of having to share their home with strangers who have had the difficult experience of escaping war for a short, defined period. I grew up seeing poverty around me and it made me immensely grateful for the life and opportunities available to me.

Badger1970 · 30/07/2022 09:17

I wonder how many of those berating the OP here opened up their own homes to refugees..............

It's a massive gesture OP and you've been exceptional to have done so. It's not something I could have done, and I think it's perfectly normal that you're struggling with elements of this. There is a huge cultural difference between the UK and The Ukraine...... my Dad had a Ukrainian girlfriend for about 10 years.

oopsididitagin · 30/07/2022 09:17

Dontwanttoberudeorwastetime · 30/07/2022 09:14

I housed a relative for 18 months through covid so they wouldn’t have to isolate alone and could save some money to be in a better financial situation when it was all over. Is that enough? Am I morally pure enough to join in the conversation?

Yeah, because 'hosting' a member of your own family gives you the authority to be an expert on taking in a refugee family from a wartorn country and spout your bile. Do one.

Dontwanttoberudeorwastetime · 30/07/2022 09:20

oopsididitagin · 30/07/2022 09:17

Yeah, because 'hosting' a member of your own family gives you the authority to be an expert on taking in a refugee family from a wartorn country and spout your bile. Do one.

Bile???
Becauee I don’t think it’s “blagging” to not be working yet? Because I don’t think she should be forced to hand over her life savings after losing everything else?
Give over.

oopsididitagin · 30/07/2022 09:21

Quincythequince · 30/07/2022 09:15

Free tutoring and language lessons for those near me! Help with participation in local sports clubs/events by way of kit provision, and lifts to and from training/events.

And you?

Oh yay more virtue signalling. You do your few hours a week to give you that glow, but you haven't taken in a refugee family and the overwhelming sense of responsibility and decision-making that must bring.

fruitbrewhaha · 30/07/2022 09:21

They have only been with you for since May, that 3 months.

There is a big difference here to that of some PP stories of immigrants moving and staying permanently. I expect she is hoping the war will finish in a month or two and she can go home, she doesn't want to settle, she doesn't want a contract on a rental property. 10K in dollars is not a lot of money. Rent, deposit, some furniture, would eat right into that and then she has no safety net. What if her husband has to come over too, or he loses his job? Maybe even his well paid Ukraine job will not be enough to run a household here and continues to pay their mortgage in Ukraine.

Can you do anything to help the kids get on better? Have they got Ukrainian friends nearby? I expect they are missing home and friends/family.

Iwonder08 · 30/07/2022 09:23

Serve her notice. Her husband has a well paid job, she has ££££ in savings and yet she is happy to accept free housing, money from a hard working stranger and is work shy. Ukrainian or not, this is not acceptable

Dontwanttoberudeorwastetime · 30/07/2022 09:23

oopsididitagin · 30/07/2022 09:21

Oh yay more virtue signalling. You do your few hours a week to give you that glow, but you haven't taken in a refugee family and the overwhelming sense of responsibility and decision-making that must bring.

Imagine you’re the refugee for a second.

MarvelMrs · 30/07/2022 09:25

Could you make it simple
and say you can have the £175 and move out in Jan or you can stay until June/July for her DD to finish her exams but you keep the money as it is costing you too much.

Another consideration this winter is as the bills will go up along with heating and hot water needs therefore it seems fair to use more money yourself to pay the bills. If she is in your home all day she will potentially use the heating whereas if you were at work you would not have that cost. I would be careful that by January you are not badly out of pocket.

Honeysuckle9 · 30/07/2022 09:26

@Dontwanttoberudeorwastetime

So that’s a no then ?

Quincythequince · 30/07/2022 09:26

oopsididitagin · 30/07/2022 09:21

Oh yay more virtue signalling. You do your few hours a week to give you that glow, but you haven't taken in a refugee family and the overwhelming sense of responsibility and decision-making that must bring.

No.
I answered a question that was asked.
No virtue signalling here.
I’ve been doing this for a local
organisation for more than 10 years, and most of the children are from the Middle East.

No, I’m not taking in a refugee family. Our house is not suited and I have four kids living here, three teenage boys. Their achievements and outcomes are and will always be my priority but I help where I can in other ways.

So take your virtual-signalling (apparent) insult elsewhere thank you. And what exactly are you doing other than coming on here and telling people off?

People are allowed to realise a situation is. It for them once they’re in it.

Quincythequince · 30/07/2022 09:27

is not for them

ilovemydogandmrobama2 · 30/07/2022 09:28

I think you need to tell her that you will host her until January 2023, and that she needs to start looking for alternative accommodation, which gives her a reasonable amount of time.

For sure help her, but as she speaks English and has financial resources, think you need to set some boundaries as far as her looking for another place to live.

Honeysuckle9 · 30/07/2022 09:28

@Quincythequince It’s great that you are doing this, these services are incredible important:

Buts it’s not the same as sharing your home with a stranger