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Ukrainian guest …I’m not feeling comfortable

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CookieDoughKid · 30/07/2022 00:47

I’ve been hosting a Ukrainian mother and 15yo daughter since beginning of May. We get on ok although we live very different lives even before the war. She’s a SAhM and I’m a working mum full time. It’s been difficult for her to adjust because her husband used to do everything, such as banking, booking train tickets, appointments. It’s been a real learning curve having to stand on her own feet here. Fortunately she can speak some English so over time, I have been able to take a step back from supporting her on how to live in England. her dd will be taking GCSE exams next summer term.

My kids and her dd don’t like each other and don’t get on. The mother is a bit work shy in that she is very choosy about jobs being offered to her by the job agency. She does a week here or there. Nothing permanent or full time. She is not claiming UC after it was made apparent she would have to look for work or go back to work full time. Her husband is supporting her financially. I broached the subject of long term accommodation and the challenges of finding rent. I was surprised to learn they have 10000 USD saved, husband has a good job in software in Ukraine. They are prepared to rent but would rather not as they don’t want to ‘waste their money’. I know they’d rather go back home if the war was over.

I had pledged at the start to give them half of the £350 thank you money from Gov to be used as a deposit for their rent when they move on. That’s £150 a month I would give to them for the 12 months commitment. I keep £150. I know I don’t have to do it but I wanted them to feel like they have some longevity here without too much hardship. That was prior to me learning about their savings. With everything going on at home, me working full time, my two teens…I’m finding it all a bit much. The mother is lovely but so talkative and she’s always there. Sand my day is incredibly busy, I travel for work, I have my own children to look after.

what gripes me is that she also doesn’t pay a single thing or offer when I’ve said from the start she needs to sort it herself I’m talking about washing powder and sundries….she does pay her own food. I’m starting to resent the fact that she never offers to pay for dishwasher tablets, stationery paper, toilet roll, cling film, aluminium foil, washing powder, cleaning goods, kitchen napkins etc… It all adds up.

Come October, it will have been 6 months of me hosting. Would I be unreasonable to ask her to plan on moving out …I think I can tolerate them living with me to Jan 2023 (that would be 9 months in total) but she’s mentioned she wants to stay with me till next June so that her dd can sit her exams without interruption.

Should I ask for a household contribution? And what about the £150 a month I pledged? It’s not that I can’t afford it, I can but I feel I’m being taken for a ride.

she mentioned she wanted help in applying for UC housing benefit in the future which does not sit well with me knowing she is supported by her husband, has savings and is choosy with jobs?

fwiw, we both try very hard to get on. She’s helpful sith cleaning and so am I, and we have a good rhythm in sharing the kitchen etc. we don’t argue and we haven’t had any major spats.

it’s just that I am finding it hard to live with someone who is so different in outlook to me and living with us full stop. My dad was a refugee, he held down 3 jobs 7 days a week for a while and that work ethic is very strong in me (I don’t rely on my husband financially and never have but that’s my choice). I know if I was to live with someone not out of choice I would work really hard, and try to move out as soon as possible!

would like your perspective on this. I feel really guilty even thinking about asking her to move out but also, I feel they would have had 8 or 9 months free living so..isn’t that generous in itself?

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CookieDoughKid · 30/07/2022 17:14

For the posters asking, yes it was a family decision to host. My kids were fully involved. I deliberated for a month before deciding to host and the permit to travel, sorting the paperwork for sponsorship etc took 8 weeks to complete. I could have pulled out in that time but felt in the end, it was something I should at least try to do to help them. It isn'ta decision the mother has taken easily leaving Ukraine. I would like to think if roles reversed, there would be a family out there to take me and my children in.

I think part of the major issue is that I've received no real support from local authority about next steps. It's really left to me to figure it out. Also, I feel my guests don't want to commit on establishing themselves here...its a real psychology cliff to get over . You can see this with their daughter, she isn't making friends at school and she keeps making excuses to leave lesson or stay home feininh illness. It's a real trauma. Which is why I think they are ALSO relying on my good will to stay with me as long as possible.

I need to grow a backbone and have a frank conversation about them leaving in a timely manner nd hopefully they can get their heads round this..it's either they commit to staying here and pay rent or they go back home. And I think its very painful for them.

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CookieDoughKid · 30/07/2022 17:17

@fUNNYfACE36 Is hosting my guests 6 to 9 months and asking them to leave to be independent rejecting them? I feel really guilty as it is, as if I've not done enough . They've asked if I can be their uk sponsor for a visa application for their husband one day. I'm not adverse to doing it but it's a big ask knowing what I now know about all the red tape involved and its not something I've agreed to.

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Maireas · 30/07/2022 17:20

That poor girl, struggling at school, not making friends, not liking where she lives. It must be awful for her.
It's really not surprising that she's not getting on with your children. Or vice versa.

AlexWirral · 30/07/2022 17:42

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RedToothBrush · 30/07/2022 18:02

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There are no apartments in Poland to rent... But thats another story.

RedToothBrush · 30/07/2022 18:03

From what Ive heard hosting is a state of perpetual guilt for many....

Mrseven · 30/07/2022 18:04

As a former expat, not experiencing war back home, I can say it takes approximately a year to feel at home in most countries. Sometimes a bit less but rarely less than 6 months. @daretodenim where do you get the idea it takes 6-12 months to feel at home from? It’s very subjective isn’t it?

Dontwanttoberudeorwastetime · 30/07/2022 18:04

Maireas · 30/07/2022 17:20

That poor girl, struggling at school, not making friends, not liking where she lives. It must be awful for her.
It's really not surprising that she's not getting on with your children. Or vice versa.

Also worrying about whether he dad will be enlisted to fight or if the Russian army have pushed through to where he lives.
Horrendous

Maireas · 30/07/2022 18:07

Yes, good point

2bazookas · 30/07/2022 18:34

You're committed to host her for 6 months. Warn her now that you expect her to leave then.

As there's no shortage of money she could rent somewhere local to keep her daughter at the same school and not disrupt her exams. That's not your problem.

As for the "rent deposit" , just say you intended to help someone in real need. It's not going to be given to someone with ample independent finance.

Mrseven · 30/07/2022 18:55

Phobiaphobic · 30/07/2022 09:50

@RedToothBrush

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Yes, a brilliant post @RedToothBrush 100%

CookieDoughKid · 30/07/2022 19:03

@RedToothBrush thank you for your posts. It's really what I needed to hear.

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BloodAndFire · 30/07/2022 19:21

CookieDoughKid · 30/07/2022 19:03

@RedToothBrush thank you for your posts. It's really what I needed to hear.

Are you happy with that poster calling the woman you are living with 'a cunty fucker' and a 'pisstaker' then? And the other posts calling her a 'lazy bitch' and a 'greedy cunt'?

twoandcooplease · 30/07/2022 20:51

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billy1966 · 30/07/2022 21:08

@Yarboosucks, my neighbour doesn't cook for or eat with her guests.

She believes that would have been too much for her altogether.

She felt for it to work they would all need their privacy at meal times.

internetpersonme · 30/07/2022 21:18

Bit odd to give her some of the government money then want it back for loo roll and dishwasher tablets? Isn't that what the money is for?

Also yeah she has 10k its not a huge amount of money. Even if you moved into an unfurnished 1 bed council flat with nothing it wouldn't last long

I am sure she needs to keep some back for flights back for her and her daughter and or flights out for her husband at who knows how much with no notice.

You are within your rights to tell her to leave but fuck me I am sure if I had been through a half of what she had been through I would be s complete nightmare to live with and not like her at all

You signed up for a refugee. Not a new best friend.

internetpersonme · 30/07/2022 21:20

honkeytonkwoman38 · 30/07/2022 09:07

This is why I thought twice about volunteering. Al I hear on here are horror stories.
You've been a soft touch though giving half of your money back to them. No wonder she doesn't want to move. She won't ever move!

Glad you didn't. Probably just want the government to pay for you to house the cleaner / babysitter.

internetpersonme · 30/07/2022 21:25

waterrat · 30/07/2022 09:53

'cunty fuckers here for a free lunch'

wow.

they didn't choose to come here - do you understand that?

Someone asked if I am hosting refugees. Not at the moment but I work with refugees and have done for years - I have experience before of watching these set ups break down. It's sadly common - people want to help but have idealised notions of what a good refugee is. Hosting traumatised people is a specialist skill.

Each of these refugees should have been linked to a specialist mentor or social worker who could help them look for work/ give them counselling but sadly our govt would never do anything so useful.

@waterrat comments about free lunches make me hope they'll all get the free council houses apparently lined up for them all soon

urgen · 30/07/2022 21:28

So if they refuse to move or say they cannot find anything within their budget what happens next?

Who gets involved if they won’t leave?

phishy · 30/07/2022 21:41

I totally get the point about someone not offering to buy something. Just that offer would be so good to receive, even if you then say it’s fine.
We have family guests that just take and take and it’s so annoying.

FYI -The £350 a month (that's £87.5 a week!) doesn't even come close to covering my time, bills, cost of household goods for x2 adults. We hosts are not in it for the money.

The £350 is not meant to cover your time. If they’re paying for their food, what household goods are costing you £350pm?

andweallsingalong · 30/07/2022 21:47

If you're happy for 9 months I wonder if it would help to do it in stages and have the 6 month review early with a choice to leave at 6 months or pay 1/2 rent and bills for the remaining 3 months.

Also give her the heads up that she's needs to declare her husbands income and their savings so it's not a nasty shock at the last minute.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/07/2022 23:51

Who gets involved if they won’t leave?

In theory the local authority, though if they follow their usual path they may insist that the guests are actually evicted before they'll offer accomodation.
Under the circumstances I'd hope they'd waive this, but don't have much confidence ...

Arieldysney · 31/07/2022 00:18

I'm sure £350 is a thank you gesture to a host from a government, not a payment towards ukrainian families' expenses. I think this is what UC is for? OP, please do not feel that you have to support them financially. Money aside, I really think you should put your DC's first. That woman and her DD will go, be it next month or next year, and your DC's will carry those memories forever, so please listen to them and do not force unwanted people on them, they might never forgive you.

antelopevalley · 31/07/2022 00:49

andweallsingalong · 30/07/2022 21:47

If you're happy for 9 months I wonder if it would help to do it in stages and have the 6 month review early with a choice to leave at 6 months or pay 1/2 rent and bills for the remaining 3 months.

Also give her the heads up that she's needs to declare her husbands income and their savings so it's not a nasty shock at the last minute.

I think giving her advance warning is a good idea. They will ask her and will want to know what she has been surviving on.

CookieDoughKid · 31/07/2022 11:17

Respond to previous posters about the end of the commitment period. So if I commit to Jan, that would be 9 months. I need to notify my council 2 months previous so that they can engage in a 'resettlement plan'. My council stressed VERY STRONGLY to me, that they will work towards Ukrainian guests remaining in their existing accommodation for as long as possible (by mediation). This didn't sit well with me. Alternatives is being put on the waiting list for social housing, working with the private sector and finally, running the guests via the 'Homeless shelter' program which I took to understand as temporary accommodation maybe in a hostel or BnB.

It's not so much about the money about loo roll or tin foil- let me reiterate - its the gesture. It's not hard to offer buy your host a small shop of sundries - or even buying a cake to share but the family are so tight, it's off putting. I do put this down to a refugee mentality and they want to hold on to every cent so for that, I am going to let it go.

I hope I've illustrated the support I've provided to my host family which is way beyond offering housing. It's been a lot of adhoc English language conversation support, emotional support, helping them understand logistics, navigating all aspects of life in England. It is hours and hours of sitting with them understanding how to navigate things like trainline.com when they can't read English and then explaining routes and different ticketing types. Accompanying my guest to various job centers and agencies where they speak to my guest in English so fast and impatiently, I then have to simplify what they are saying in very simple English or use Google translate. NONE of this is a 5 minute job when English isn't your first language. There isn't a support organisation (who speaks Ukrainian) in my small town to help them in a manner where they need PRACTICAL help as well as Emotional support. Both mother and daughter have not experienced the horrors of war but they have experienced trauma in their own way.

I feel Jan is my limit, 9 months of unwavering support because I have to put my own family front and center again. But the hard part from here on - is now putting a plan in action where they can stay. And that unfortunately, means getting back in to work for the mother and using their precious savings. This is a very very hard conversation to have with the mother and father and it does feel like I'm rejecting them when I really don't think I have.

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