EU border entry requirements because of Brexit - need to prove you have £85 per day to spend

[cakeorwine]

In theory of course.

EU Border staff such as in Spain, can ask to check that you have enough spending money, a return ticket / onward ticket as well as all the passport checks ensuring it's in date, valid during your time in the EU and that you haven't been in the EU too long.

I guess they aren't doing this in full - but they have the right to. It's what we should be doing at UK immigration. Just so we know that people coming here can stay and aren't trying to sneak in for work.

This is what being a 3rd country out of the EU means. Before hand, at ferry ports, we were waved through or a brief scan. Potentially these checks will be time consuming.

And if the EU or any country in the EU wishes to make a point, this is what they can do.

www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/spain-introduces-new-85-rule-for-british-holidaymakers-entering-country/ar-AAZVRVQ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=dde0bb90bf474bc3ad00ae5097ea7424

Are YOU a Daily Express "journalist"?

Yes, it will make plenty of space in the news. Like last week, a long sad story about an Australian woman who got deported from USA when she went there to house sit. Or the millions of other stories about dozens of other non-EU countries that people get deported from all the time.
Underlying arrogance - how dare a country have rules and exclude me - has always existed. Now it will apply to our impoverished illiterate citizens visiting the EU as well as most non-EU countries.
Schadenfreude is not the same as caring.

@lightisnotwhite

And yet it’s ALWAYS Remainers starting these endless Brexit posts.

The DM (one of the lead proponents the Brexit campaign) was quite happy to lead with this story a few days back using a massive headline something along the lines of "Brits in Bank Checks", breathlessly sensationalising the issue and as a result no doubt making a tidy sum of money for their proprietor.

Given those headlines it's not as if people would have been unaware of the issue if the OP hadn't started the thread.

But the op started this thread saying that this would be used to punish us. So obviously remainers think that too.

I think this should have been place when we were in the EU. I don't think any EU country should have to except people from other EU countries that can't support themselves.

You need to read the opening post again

The issue I have is that the EU "could" if it wished to, continue to use the automatic biometric immigration systems for logging people's stays. It is the same system as we use, same data, set up at a time when we were all in the EU, and needed to be compatible. We are still compatible with the system. I do think it is a little bit of buggering about tbh, because the EU could make life easier, but choose not to. Same with freight, there is a working digital system, but it has not yet been approved by EU, would make everyone's life much easier.

Brexit means Brexit. We did not vote to leave the EU to stay in automatic biometric data gobbling systems, that are governed by EU regulations. We voted to leave, it is the will of the people and must be respected.

Nothing wrong with a country requiring anyone who wants to visit it to demonstrate that they have the means to support themselves. In America I got asked how much money I had available to me, it's just common sense - why let someone in if you know they can't afford to be there?

There actually were some rules to cater for that, just that most people were not aware of them.

I'm seem to recall that for example if you travelled to France from the UK you couldn't just rock up with no cash or job on day on day one and claim benefits...All distant memory stuff but I think there was a requirement in theory to either be able to support yourself on arrival or be in work within a certain quite short period (so you could enter looking for work - which was what FOM was actually about).

No means of support after the period potentially meant deportation.

What has changed now is the the more restrictive "third country" requirements.

What it comes down to is that Brexit is a shitshow and almost all other countries worldwide can see it, bar the idiots here that are doubling down on it.

With regard to a couple of posts earlier, still slightly off topic ( or not) about EU>EU and whether in that case there's a need to prove funds and ability to support yourself.. finally found chapter and verse to bac up my iffy memory...:

"As an EU citizen, you have the right to move to any EU country for a period of up to 3 months as long as you have a valid identity card or passport. If you want to settle in another EU country but you have no intention to take up any work or education there, you need to prove that you:
have sufficient resources for you and your family during the time you want to stay in your new country
have comprehensive health insurance....

After 3 months in your new country, you may be required to register your residence with the relevant authority (often the town hall or local police station), and to be issued with a registration certificate.
You will need a valid identity card or passport and:
proof of comprehensive health insurance
proof you can support yourself without needing social assistance benefits: resources may come from any source, including from a third person.

Can you be requested to leave or be deported?
You may live in the other EU country as long as you continue to meet the conditions for residence. If you no longer do so, the national authorities may require you to leave."

(My emphasis)..

europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/index_en.htm

EU>EU was never quite been the cross border free for all, no conditions attached that it is/was sometimes portrayed as being.

Well, there was no need to leave the EU ti stop all that "uncontrollable" immigration then was there. Much better to bugger up anybody who wants to retire/study/work in Europe than any the rules that were already available to use.

Ah, but the thing is the UK government was allowing anyone to stay as long as they liked without any kind of registration system. That is one of the many reasons we had to leave the EU and bring back sovereignty and control to the UK.

Don't forget it was the will of the people.

But the op started this thread saying that this would be used to punish us. So obviously remainers think that too.

@countrygirl99
You need to read the opening post again

I don't think I do but just in case you do, this is what they said.
And if the EU or any country in the EU wishes to make a point, this is what they can do.

I think that if I were a French border guard and Tory Ministers and papers like the Daily Mail kept blaming the French for delays, then I might just go 'full by the book' and ask passengers these questions.

And they would be within their rights.

And personally I wouldn't blame them. It's not a good idea to blame someone for delays when it's not their fault and they have the power to make life for travellers much harder

The EU can have any rules it likes. If you're not in the club, you're not in the club.

Brexit means Brexit. We did not vote to leave the EU to stay in automatic biometric data gobbling systems, that are governed by EU regulations. We voted to leave, it is the will of the people and must be respected.

I can see why you're thinking like that but we're already involved in data sharing systems with other non eu countries so, although you're pretty hardliners, I wouldn't think most brexit voters would be bothered about that, really.

Ah, but the thing is the UK government was allowing anyone to stay as long as they liked without any kind of registration system. That is one of the many reasons we had to leave the EU and bring back sovereignty and control to the UK.
Don't forget it was the will of the people.

I'm not sure you've understood that properly. The uk govt didn't allow anything. All the eu country citizens had the right to stay as long as they liked, regardless of how individual govts felt about it. But I do agree that that was unpopular with an amount of people who felt their standard of living was threatened by it for various reasons.

There actually were some rules to cater for that, just that most people were not aware of them.
I'm seem to recall that for example if you travelled to France from the UK you couldn't just rock up with no cash or job on day on day one and claim benefits...

That was certainly true here over some benefits. I know you had to be here for 3 months to get housing benefit, etc. I can't remember the ins and outs of them all.
But I was talking about people who show up in a a different country and start to live homeless and start begging or squatting. Or those involved in illegal activities. Why should Spain have had to allow itinerant British people to show up and start to live in an antisocial way?

She doesn't say punishment though. That's your projection.

Anyway, we voted to be a third party. Those are the rules that apply to 3rd parties. I suspect they won't be strictly applied in general as inane other countries where I've berm asked if I have access to £/$/¥ but never asked to prove it. But if anyone is giving of dodgy vibes/being lairy they might get a nasty shock.
And there are 2 separate stories in the msm today about people being caught out by the passport rules. Still. So it's bound to be a sad face sob story on here or the Mail/Sun/Express etc sooner or later. And I shan't give a stuff.

@MarshaMelrose

But I was talking about people who show up in a a different country and start to live homeless and start begging or squatting. Or those involved in illegal activities. Why should Spain have had to allow itinerant British people to show up and start to live in an antisocial way

I know you were (I think, maybe we are at cross purposes).

That's exactly why I made the comment that you quoted and then I belatedly, in my next post, provided the europa.eu link.

The link covers in general terms the legislation that is supposed to prevent somebody from EU country A moving to EU country B with no means of support....that legislation isn't new

In short even pre-Brexit legislation existed that meant in theory a Brit couldn't just show up in Spain and for example start living on the street making a living begging. If they did and were caught out by the Spanish police they could be deported back to the UK.

In short even pre-Brexit legislation existed that meant in theory a Brit couldn't just show up in Spain and for example start living on the street making a living begging. If they did and were caught out by the Spanish police they could be deported back to the UK.

Most people knew that, but the UK government was not doing anything to enforce those rules so in practice anyone who wanted to could come here and do what they liked, living on benefits and taking our jobs.

That is why we had to leave the EU and take back control. It was the will of the people remember.

Accept. Except means the opposite.

And it was in place, in a different way. Free movement rules in the EU only apply if you are a worker, or self sufficient.

The Daily Express never lets itself down when it comes to Brexit

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1647408/brexit-news-rules-spain-eu-travel-gillian-mckeith

Britons have fumed after reports of new requirements for UK tourists, such as giving evidence of a return flight, proof of accommodation and proof of spending money while in the country

UK tourists travelling to the popular holiday destination may face having to provide evidence they have £85 (100 euros) to spend per day of their stay.
In response to the new rules, TV personality Gillian McKeith said "there must be better places to go" than Spain.
The move has sparked criticism from a number of Britons including nutritionist Ms McKeith.

Some agreed with her comments, with one writing: "Plenty of better countries to visit, just got back from Croatia. Much better than Spain."
One simply wrote "Bye Spain".
However, others were quick to point out that the UK has very similar requirements for EU travellers entering the country.

(Pretty sure Croatia has entry requirementswww.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/croatia/entry-requirements