EU border entry requirements because of Brexit - need to prove you have £85 per day to spend

[cakeorwine]

In theory of course.

EU Border staff such as in Spain, can ask to check that you have enough spending money, a return ticket / onward ticket as well as all the passport checks ensuring it's in date, valid during your time in the EU and that you haven't been in the EU too long.

I guess they aren't doing this in full - but they have the right to. It's what we should be doing at UK immigration. Just so we know that people coming here can stay and aren't trying to sneak in for work.

This is what being a 3rd country out of the EU means. Before hand, at ferry ports, we were waved through or a brief scan. Potentially these checks will be time consuming.

And if the EU or any country in the EU wishes to make a point, this is what they can do.

www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/spain-introduces-new-85-rule-for-british-holidaymakers-entering-country/ar-AAZVRVQ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=dde0bb90bf474bc3ad00ae5097ea7424

Fair enough, but the people reading this thread (who presumably are the people you're trying to educate as it's not going to benefit anyone else) have told you multiple times that they're aware and they're not in a flap over it. That's presumably not the reaction you were wanting or expecting so you double down and reiterate again just how problematic it's going to be. Maybe after reading for the tenth time how bad it is, they'll be won over to your way of thinking and start staying up at night fretting over how they're going to cope with a queue when they next leave the country in a few years' time and you'll feel it's a job well done.

That's presumably not the reaction you were wanting or expecting so you double down and reiterate again just how problematic it's going to be

I haven't said it's going to be problematic. It could be a problem if border guards decide to get problematic and do everything by the book. Which I doubt as it would cause chaos.

But it is something that they can do now that they couldn't do before - and I bet that there are a lot of people out there who didn't know this. Because most people are used to going to border control and being admitted on holiday. Especially when going to the EU

But now, things have changed. I don't think it's going to be a problem for most people - but people have been denied entry to this country from the EU post Brexit and they have been asked these questions about why they are visiting, can they support themselves.

There might well be people on MN - or children of people on MN who go to the EU for holiday but get denied entry because the border guard thinks they are looking for work. They could get asked questions about their intentions and support they have.

Ok - if you're genuinely just trying to spread awareness so that people who might not otherwise know don't get caught out, that makes sense.

Telegraph readers have to pay more apparently.

www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/british-tourists-could-turned-away-spain-unless-can-prove-have/

Holidaymakers may be forced to prove that they have at least £760 to spend in order to enter Spain this summer as it implements new restrictions that group British tourists in the same category as those travelling from a "third country" outside of the EU.

The Spanish government has said that following Brexit, British tourists hoping to enter the country may need to show they have enough money for their stay – a minimum of €100 (£85) per person per day, and have €900 (£761) available in funds.

A family of four staying in Spain for a week could therefore need proof of at least £3,141 before being allowed entry into the country. Tourists that come from outside of the European Union may be asked to use cash, cheques, travellers’ cheques or credit cards, as well as a bank statement as evidence of funds.

Love the wording in that DT article, still subtle hints that the UK is being singled out for different treatment..:

"as it (Spain) implements new restrictions that group British tourists in the same category as those travelling from a "third country" outside of the EU."

It's quite simple - The UK isn't "in the same category" as a "third country", it is now a "third country".

@cakeorwine have any of these newspapers presented evidence of U.K. families of four being asked to
prove their funds?!! Come back when they do!!!

Also the obsession with “third” countries is just weird. We all know we’re not part of the EU. However, most of us are intelligent enough to know that not all “third” countries are the same. Well, the Portuguese do. That’s why I entered Portugal using the same eGate as the Australians, New Zealanders and a few other nations earlier this year. Low risk = quicker entry. So no matter how much you say on this thread that we will be treated the same as other “third” countries, it won’t be the case because not all “third” countries are treated the same!

Is the Telegraph in the same category of tabloid as the Sun - as that was your previous comment?

@cakeorwine As far as I am concerned the Telegraph is just as bad as the others. Add the Guardian to that too…their Covid reporting was sensationalist shit.

I wonder if Guardian readers have to pay as much as the Telegraph readers....

@cakeorwine and when are you actually going to give us practical examples of you encountering difficulties on entry to the EU. Myself and others on this thread have pointed out that we have had no problems and that entry has been quick to various EU countries in the past 12 months but all you keep doing is repeating reports that the rules have changed and we may be asked questions. Come back when you’ve actually been interrogated.

I haven't said it's going to be problematic. It could be a problem if border guards decide to get problematic and do everything by the book.

The impression is that the EU is punishing British holidaymakers because of Brexit.

You've said it again. You're saying that people are stupid for thinking it's the EU punishing the UK for Brexit. And then you say it'll only happen if the border staff want to be problematic. So you're mocking other people for exactly what you're doing yourself.

No mention that the UK requires the same.
The cognitive dissonance is amazing.

And by the way, when you start mocking people for cognitive dissonance, you didn't even know when you started this thread that the UK was already doing this....

It's what we should be doing at UK immigration.

It happens to frequent travelers more than the occasional tourist. When my now-husband and I were dating long-distance (he was in the US, me in the UK) I used to visit every 6-8 weeks over the three years we did that and was often asked, in great detail, about my job and finances, how much money I had, how I was supporting myself. That said, the partner of a US citizen is statistically most likely to overstay here so they watch like hawks and are more party just the more frequently you visit.

You clear customs and immigration at your first point of entry here, not your final destination. So it will always be a large international airport such as Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, etc. even if your final destination is Tinyville, Nebraska or somewhere like that.

And by the way, when you start mocking people for cognitive dissonance, you didn't even know when you started this thread that the UK was already doing this

I know that is what we do at UK immigration - the word 'should' means that we are allowed to do it but we don't always do it. We could do it to every passenger coming in but we don't. I have seen UK border control - as well as other similar programmes for other countries.

It will happen if border staff happen to be problematic -to tourists - but it will also happen if border staff think that the tourist is not a tourist but is planning to move or work in the EU.

So it could happen to you or a family member if you are going to the EU. Do you think that most people are aware of this?

Of course most people haven't had difficulties at border control. However, just because you haven't experienced a problem, that does not mean that other people won't experience difficulties.

There are lots of problems that I haven't experienced but I am aware they are problems for other people.

Glad to see the Guardian was on this last year. So that's why it's not one of the current bunch of papers who are playing catch up

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/20/uk-travellers-to-france-may-be-asked-proof-of-accommodation-as-part-of-post-brexit-changes

You sound like you really hope it will get worse to prove a point.

Another thread of remoaners moaning.

I travel to Europe all the time, almost exclusively via car ferry or tunnel.

Since Brexit I'm asked exactly the same questions I've always been asked. Final destination, duration of stay and purpose of visit. Passport or scanned as it had always been. All that has changed its they take a few extra second to find a page to stamp.

Since I'm alone in the car I often have to pull aside for the cursory check in the boot which takes a minute or less.

Traveling through Europe even in Schengen is not uncommon to show your passport when entering Denmark from Germany, and entering Sweden from Denmark. I'm often pulled in entering Norway, especially in the north at very quiet border crossings, as a right drive car on UK plated stands out, however they usually looking for tobacco and alcohol as limits are very strict for anyone entering Norway. It's why most Norwegian's near the border go shopping in Sweden on a Saturday when the customs guys don't work.

Returning to the UK has always been the same. Where have you been, how long have you been, and what were you doing there and can weook in the boot. At Calais the check inside most vehicles, especially vans, caravans and anyone with a roof box, and were doing so before Brexit. All that's changed is a few seconds for a stamp.

The French have always been a bolshy and workshy people. They were before Brexit and they still are now. Same as UK border force being incompetent and disorganised, like any other UK state agency.

Since my main destinations are NL, D, DK, S and N, I now skip France all together and go via Hook of Holland. A much nicer experience. The attitude difference between the French and Dutch border staff is night and day, even though the questions and processes are identical.

I agree with you not Dutch people seem to love the British - we always have a fab welcome there, I would say that was true of everywhere except France - and only there it is tiny pockets of hostility. Many French people told us they wish France would find the balls to leave the EU - the fact they are more eurosceptic than us is always glossed over on MN. The very reason Macron et al are always trying to make brexit as painful as possible in their own small way has everything to do with trying to convince the French people not to follow suit!!!!

I love Europe, love the Europeans and driving all over in the summer but I can’t stand the commission, the lack of democracy and hope it will revert back to its founding principles - a trading bloc in time.

The French have always been a bolshy and workshy people. They were before Brexit and they still are now

Another Brexitier idiotic comment, France has a productivity rate that shames the British - 15% higher.
Almost on par with the USA and ahead of Germany (pre pandemic figures)

So if the French are workshy... what does that make the British? i.e you lol.

Just pointing out that the "bolshy and workshy" French have a higher GDP per hour worked than the UK. Pot calling the kettle black by any chance?

@Festoonlights

Jeez another one!
France very recently had 2 chances to show exactly how Eurosceptic they are and rejected the RN and far right, re electing Macron, 2nd term Presidents in France are a rarity and went further to left in their parliamentary elections.

Ambivalence towards the EU is not the same as wanting to leave.

As for France punishing the UK ? it was the British that rejected an expansion of the Port of Dover and it was the French who are provided the staff to man the 4 extra booths P of D have installed themselves.

Incidentally, it was the French who have the doubled the booths in Roscoff and the British who have done SFA extra in Plymouth.

the EU is a primarily still a trading block and is lot more democratic than our set up, where Johnson is about to distort democracy and load the HoL with Tory peers, not to mention FPTP.

Just in case anyone is travelling, we sailed through Dover today, no issues at all the French border controls are properly manned.
Running smoothly.

Re money I think other countries have far higher ££

I voted for Brexit because I hate the French as well, also the Germans.

Nothing I have seen since then has changed my mind, I still have the French, the Germans and also anyone with a sensible opinion remainers.

I voted for Brexit because I hate the French as well, also the Germans.
Nothing I have seen since then has changed my mind, I still have the French, the Germans and also anyone with a sensible opinion remainers.

I thought you voted remain?

Yes and?