EU border entry requirements because of Brexit - need to prove you have £85 per day to spend

[cakeorwine]

In theory of course.

EU Border staff such as in Spain, can ask to check that you have enough spending money, a return ticket / onward ticket as well as all the passport checks ensuring it's in date, valid during your time in the EU and that you haven't been in the EU too long.

I guess they aren't doing this in full - but they have the right to. It's what we should be doing at UK immigration. Just so we know that people coming here can stay and aren't trying to sneak in for work.

This is what being a 3rd country out of the EU means. Before hand, at ferry ports, we were waved through or a brief scan. Potentially these checks will be time consuming.

And if the EU or any country in the EU wishes to make a point, this is what they can do.

www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/spain-introduces-new-85-rule-for-british-holidaymakers-entering-country/ar-AAZVRVQ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=dde0bb90bf474bc3ad00ae5097ea7424

Thing is there’s the law and there’s applying the law. The EU really aren’t going to asking UK summer tourists if they have money unless they are being pedantic. Same as we turned a blind eye to obvious tourists sneaking fags and wine back. Customs only ever wanted those selling them on wholesale.

I worked in the US illegally as a nanny. Got stopped by US immigration and interviewed. Had a recent cash point balance showing I had bugger all in the bank (clearly there to work). I said I was a friend if the family over to help out. Got waved in. The point being they didn’t really care about someone on a gap year. They refused entry to a couple of pregnant women who were possibly going over to marry their US citizen boyfriends.

No one can do anything about a passport that will expire before the maximum 90 days is up because it’s quantifiable. A job load of Tui customers going on an AI holiday aren’t going to be asked if they have money to support themselves in part because the passport rule means they can be sanctioned if they don’t only stay for the holiday.

I worked in the US illegally as a nanny. Got stopped by US immigration and interviewed

I remember a friend of mine being deported from Australia when I was there on a working holiday visa. She had a lax approach to the length of the visa.

Escorted onto the plane and banned from Australia for a while.

US Immigration seem tougher now

www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/13/have-you-recently-had-an-abortion-australian-transiting-through-us-questioned-then-deported

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/08/australian-traveller-strip-searched-held-in-us-prison-and-deported-over-little-known-entry-requirement

@lightisnotwhite It won't be the EU asking anyone, it'll be member states, whether they do or not is a yet unknown.

what the yanks did years ago is irrelevant, try crossing the border and/or working in the US as a Mexican?

..and yes pre SM, i ve known plenty to have hand back extra fags and booze, we'd count up the bottles we could bring back and have been stopped and checked plenty of times.

As anti Brexit as they come, but unfortunately, it has happened. What is the point of complaining about this type of thing? We won't be able to rejoin (if ever) for ages, so why keep picking at the scab.

@cakeorwine Yes I said in my post there’s little you can do about visas and passports now as they are required to be checked.

what the yanks did years ago is irrelevant, try crossing the border and/or working in the US as a Mexican? That’s the point though. Countries know who they want to stop and who they don’t care about. Enforcing the £85 a day might be a political willy wangling move or a way stopping refugees or an effort to upscale tourism. In the same way ignoring it encourages the tourist market which many places rely on. Just because it’s a rule doesn’t mean it’s enforced or even enforceable.

I agree to some extent, problem is who is doing the picking and what it there motivation?

One UK MSM outlet in particular is very keen on complaining any problems or potential problems at Border control are mainly down to French punishing the UK , or express indignation at the third country financial requirements.

Many of use will happily stop grumbling once that outlet runs headlines such as "Brexit contributes to delays at Dover" or "Brexit means travellers need more money"...until then......................................

There will be many people out there who aren't aware of these rules. Granted most people who go abroad will be going on holiday. But there will be some who are travelling to Europe for other reasons - and who may not be aware.

And could be refused entry if they haven't got documentation.

There are potential solutions to this - but the UK isn't going to go to those routes. So this thread is highlighting potential issues people could face. Better to be prepared than face refusal.

There will be many people out there who aren't aware of these rules. Granted most people who go abroad will be going on holiday. But there will be some who are travelling to Europe for other reasons - and who may not be aware.

If you go abroad you have to check out what the rules and regulations are where you are going, it's hardly rocket science. People visit many non-EU countries where rules and checks are different, and manage perfectly well.

Why would it matter whether it's for a holiday or another reason?

most people who go abroad will be going on holiday. But there will be some who are travelling to Europe for other reasons - and who may not be aware

Some? ATM there's an (understandable) emphasis on holiday traffic and holiday makers but a heck of a lot of people who "go abroad" are not going on holiday.

FWIW on the EU/UK route I occasionally fly on as a passenger you'll find outside of holiday season most people onboard will be on travelling for some form of business (that's because of the city pairs and the nature of the cities)...

I suspect the regulars amongst that cohort are probably more clued up on the entry/exit requirements both within the EU and elsewhere than the average holiday passenger.

Seems reasonable to me.

If we start seeing tourists turned away for the reasons you outline, said customers will simply book other countries that are welcoming snd hassle free. That’s why it’s not, and will never happen!

Your thread is just an excuse to try and work up some brexit bashing as there hasn’t been the fall out you predicted and hoped for.
Perplexing for you that things feel exactly the same before.

It tends to be those with very limited travel and life experience outside of UK/EU sphere seem to cling to the EU nipple desperately, it’s a total lack of travel confidence. Most people that travel regularly around the world would automatically check regulations/rules and health status and vaccine requirements before leaving as standard.

A few tweaks here and there in Spain and we have a twitchy overreaction and outburst on here proclaiming how terrible it all is. I find it quite sad and a reflection of the limited thinking and planning skills if they can’t work out how to check regulations before travel, they should probably stick to Scarborough for the foreseeable. No financial disclosure needed there unless you are being mugged on a Saturday night.

it tends to be those with very limited travel and life experience outside of UK/EU sphere seem to cling to the EU nipple desperately, it’s a total lack of travel confidence.

I really hope that bizarre generalisation wasn't aimed at posters like myself.

The reality is it's probably because some of us actually have travelled frequently within the EU and also much further afield, perhaps multiple times a year/month/week in the course of our work and occasionally for leisure that we recognise the potential problems.

Certainly having spent hours of my life stood in Border queues in the process of entering countries multiple and various I recognise a backwards step when I see one.

But this whole topic is nothing to do with the EU & Brexit. It's purely about the Shengen Zone.

If the UK had ever joined Shengen (in the almost-40 years it's existed) it would now be like Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, and Lichtenstein..... not EU members but still part of that borderless, free-travel area.

As non-EU citizens, of course people from the UK would be limited to tourist status and only allowed to stay for 90 out of 180 rolling days, but you would not be potentially denied entry for not having adequate funds, medical/travel insurance etc.

There is much more to this situation than the mere inconvenience of a slightly longer queue I think you will find!

It tends to be those with very limited travel and life experience outside of UK/EU sphere seem to cling to the EU nipple desperately, it’s a total lack of travel confidence. Most people that travel regularly around the world would automatically check regulations/rules and health status and vaccine requirements before leaving as standard

Hmmm.

Lived in Australia, New Zealand, 6 months in India, Nepal, done a lot of SE Asia, Phillipines, South Korea, lived in the USA...

And you know what - it's this travel experience around the world that makes me realise how good the EU is. I've seen trucks and people queuing for ages at land borders. Borders being closed. And with the EU, it's amazing that it works and people and goods can cross easily with no friction.

I did actually know about this last year - because I checked the regulations for going to France now.

It's just taken a long time for most of the media to catch up.

The reality is it's probably because some of us actually have travelled frequently within the EU and also much further afield, perhaps multiple times a year/month/week in the course of our work and occasionally for leisure that we recognise the potential problems.
Certainly having spent hours of my life stood in Border queues in the process of entering countries multiple and various I recognise a backwards step when I see one

THIS

When you see trucks stuck for ages at land crossings, and endless border queues, you appreciate just how amazing the EU is.

A lot of countries which can trade easily, allow movement of people across borders - a lot of opportunities and reduced costs.

Really? You lived in NZ, Australia and beautiful South Korea and your takeaway was the EU can’t be beaten?!! Really…..I find that incredibly hard to believe having lived there myself. So you had the wherewithal to get yourself to the other side of the planet with all kinds of hoops and hurdles but are stumped and broken about a very simple standard regulation in Spain?

Of course there might be medical reasons why this is so difficult for you, but for most people it is a total total non issue. No one should be travelling with meagre funds in the first place

The EU is amazing for the fact that you can move across borders, trade freely, move anywhere and not have to worry about borders.

I find that amazing.

Don't you?

but are stumped and broken about a very simple standard regulation in Spain

Stumped and broken? Whatever gave you that idea?

Not a problem for me at all. I am aware of it. I was aware last year.

I am going to Europe this year. Driving through about 8 countries. Looking forward to just crossing borders with no waits or queues.

I think that's an amazing thing to do.

I drove all over Europe yes from one country to another. Very convenient agreed, but there is much more to life than convenience.

There is much more to this situation than the mere inconvenience of a slightly longer queue I think you will find!

Umm..I'm not that convinced I really need to go off and "find!" anything, I did the "finding" years ago.

When I was working it was routine, just about every working day, to sign in my professional capacity as being responsible (at least in part) for ensuring everybody in my care complied with things like custom, immigration and health requirements rules on arriving in most countries...it was unlikely but possible my neck could be on the block if there was a severe stuff up.

So in addition to standing in queues I also ended up with a pretty good handle on some aspects of Border control and customs the general public aren't aware of, especially at some international borders outside the EU..

You obviously feel somehow you have an awareness of the subject that I lack ... that's not really something up for debate.

I would make the most of the convenience if I were you given the precarious position of Italy’s economy, Germany’s absolute dependence on Russian oil and gas to motor their economy and the bleak assessments of the eurozone economy hitting the buffers this winter, the patience and generosity of the northern countries already frayed and under political pressure the reality may really start to bite.
The Euro is a failed currency and it is going to be exposed as such thanks to the disgraceful actions of Russia. I for one do not want to see the fragmentation of the EU, but it has been clinging to life support since the financial crash in 2008. A seamless driving experience is somewhat irrelevant.

The ignorance of British people about our own immigration rules really winds me up.

My partner is from a country where he needs a visitor visa to come here, even though he lives and works in the US.

He was coming for two weeks, applied for the visa, and was declined - one of the reasons given was that $8000 US wasn't enough savings. Not only is that ridiculous, they had misread the bank statement - he had $80,000! He also had proof of earnings of over $100k a year.

The UK is one of the hardest places to get a visitor visa for. Most people don't know that because freedom of movement afforded to UK citizens is vast - over 160 countries. Much of the European country freedom of movement access came from being in the EU. We left. And in doing so lost the perks.

People need to stop complaining about what they voted for, whilst also educating themselves about our own immigration rules. Ignorance abounds.

Here we go again... another Brexit right winger wishing the EU to self destruct, whilst saying "i don't really want it to of course...hee hee hee"

On a thread which isn't anything to do with the EU's collapse.... but never miss a chance eh!

As for the Euro being a failed currency? what does that make the £ ? Which has fallen from highs of 1.61 to the current 1.18 today, against a 22year average of 1:37.

Germany imports 30% of its gas from Russia, a large amount but not total dependence as whilst the UK imports around 5%, we also have to import gas from the European market, so any shortfall hits us very hard too and if the EU really did collapse, i'm betting the gas pipes to the UK would be shut off.

Germany’s economy can’t actually function without Russian gas so please stick to the actual facts. As Germany’s economy underpins the whole of the Eurozone, no, it’s not looking great at all. That doesn’t mean I will be glad to see them suffer - we are all going to bloody suffer - but a few queues here or there is like spotting a twinkling star when a nuclear weapon is heading straight for you.

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