EU border entry requirements because of Brexit - need to prove you have £85 per day to spend

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In theory of course.

EU Border staff such as in Spain, can ask to check that you have enough spending money, a return ticket / onward ticket as well as all the passport checks ensuring it's in date, valid during your time in the EU and that you haven't been in the EU too long.

I guess they aren't doing this in full - but they have the right to. It's what we should be doing at UK immigration. Just so we know that people coming here can stay and aren't trying to sneak in for work.

This is what being a 3rd country out of the EU means. Before hand, at ferry ports, we were waved through or a brief scan. Potentially these checks will be time consuming.

And if the EU or any country in the EU wishes to make a point, this is what they can do.

www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/spain-introduces-new-85-rule-for-british-holidaymakers-entering-country/ar-AAZVRVQ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=dde0bb90bf474bc3ad00ae5097ea7424

Doesn't a lot of the UK's gas come through pipelines which run through EU countries? The UK produces just under half of what it needs but the rest mostly comes in via pipelines. The UK is also more gas dependent than any EU country for home use - far higher proportion of gas central heating.

Not that this thread is even about gas...

Well that’s just plain wrong zara

Our gas mostly comes from the North Sea and Norway. Thankfully not from Russia ( just a small percentage) so we can comfortably manage without Russia indefinitely. Germany should not have shut down their amazing nuclear power plants, it was a bad policy decision by Merkel.

The U.K. has been a big gas producer for decades supplied from our own waters.

Just 50% of UK gas needs comes from the North sea (across the course of the year) the rest from LNG and Europes energy market, when Russia shuts the taps, we will have to compete for that gas.

Its not beyond imagination to see that should Germany implode along with the rest of the EU, we wont be able to access that gas.

Incorrect - Norway has been our major supplier for years! U.K. government now reopening operations in the North Sea. We can expect to see a huge drive to independently produce energy now.

I might add Norway Is not part of the EU

Correct, but (and I'm not sure whether this will be a factor in gas supply) it is in the EEA and so part of the single market.

@hatedbythedailymail22
Accept. Except means the opposite.

Spoken like a Daily Mail reader. 👌 So I'm sure they'd love you. 🙄

And it was in place, in a different way. Free movement rules in the EU only apply if you are a worker, or self sufficient.

@notimagain already said all this before you, and was more informative. You should give them a read.

It's not my projection, though, it's what she meant. Read her other posts. For example...

I think that if I were a French border guard and Tory Ministers and papers like the Daily Mail kept blaming the French for delays, then I might just go 'full by the book' and ask passengers these questions.

And they would be within their rights.

And personally I wouldn't blame them. It's not a good idea to blame someone for delays when it's not their fault and they have the power to make life for travellers much harder.

It's quite clear that the op is talking about doing things 'by the book' to make life harder, ie punish them.

Yes it does have a threatening tone.

So do it, punish the young families using their hard earned money to support your economy and nation - and next year don’t be at all surprised when people boycott the country and go elsewhere……

Oh please! You sound like a Sun headline. Can you do the sad face as well?

The french don't care about you enough to want to punish you, and they don't need your money. However, if your media and government keeps blaming them for your own self made problems, why wouldn;t they do exactly what you voted for? Taking control of your own borders by necessity means those that border you have to do the same....

You missed the bit about people like Rees Mogg and the Daily Mail who are blaming the French.

If the French get annoyed with being blamed, then I wouldn't blame them for getting tougher.

Would you? If someone kept having a go at you and you weren't doing what they accused you of, would you show them what you could do just to make a point?

Sorry, my posts aren't about Rees Mogg, the Daily Mail or even France specifically, they were in response to Countrygirl saying that I had read your posts wrong when I spoke about you saying that EU countries could use this to punish the UK. It's pretty clear in even this post that's how you feel. I think it would create problems for airports to do this, and I can't see it being in their best interests, but if they wanted to be awkward to punish us, of course they could.

I understand you saying you might do it out of frustration, I do, but would I blame you/the French if they did this to make a point? Yes, I would, because that's not their job. Their job is to process people as efficiently as possible. Just to delay the process because of what a newspaper says is petty and unprofessional.

Personally, I voted remain but I confess that I didn't forsee the EU to be that bothered about the UK leaving such a fantastic club. They're still members so what do they care what we do? Surely they'd feel sorry for us? But most importantly, I'd think that eu countries govts would want what was best for their own citizens. So if they don't want their airports clogged, or their staff overworked, or their own citizens complaining about queues and lost business, why would they try to make life more awkward?

So if they don't want their airports clogged, or their staff overworked, or their own citizens complaining about queues and lost business, why would they try to make life more awkward

Because people like Rees Mogg and the Daily Mail blame them for the delays?

Who cares what RM or the DM say? That's immaterial to border forces doing their job. They're meant to be professionals. It's not for them to decide to deliver retribution on citizens of another country. If teenagers were being cheeky with the police and shouted accusations at them and were a general nuisance and pain in the arse, do you think the police would be annoyed? Yes. Do you think they'd be right to search the teenagers, then take them into custody on some trumped up crime and generally mess them around before releasing them? No, of course not. Because that's poor conduct and unprofessional behaviour.

@MarshaMelrose ffs they are not delivering retributions, they are implementing EU law with regards to third countries. It's really not hard to understand.

I remember every car being checked going to France, pre-EEC. It was quite exciting, my family trying to look relaxed and natural, wondering if we'd be mega-searched - we were once, they took everything out of the mini we were driving to Germany in.

I remember the days when "nothing to declare" lines were meaningful.

We have all got to used to easy travel that the reintroduction of border checks for British travellers comes as a fucking awful shock. Thanks to Brexit voters.

@MarshaMelrose France isn't going to be taking any notice of random posters on MN.

The french (and others) are just carrying out their duties as they have always done on 3rd country nationals... the difference is the numbers, millions of Brits go to Europe and the UK has done very little to upgrade border facilities at our ports and roads.
Also need to remember that these ports have been designed for very little in the way of detailed passport checks as we've been in the SM for many years.

Thankfully, looks like the UK and France have set up a working group to try and ease the situation.

It is in France’s best interests for smooth connections and process. Not because they are listening to U.K. people necessarily but I imagine the French government advisors and economists will be making the case quite robustly. It’s worth tens of billions of euros and supports millions of jobs in every sector across the country.

I'm prety sure eu law says they can't apply it to everyone from a certain country without good reason. And disliking the Daily Mail and Rees Mogg is not good reason.

And it was another poster who wrote that they'd be doing it to make a point to the uk. Which is indeed retribution.

@AndreaC74
France isn't going to be taking any notice of random posters on MN.

So we shouldn't post about anything international because a foreign country doesn't take notice? Not US abortion laws, not Putins invasion, not about covid restrictions in other countries, not about human rights violations in Saudi Arabia, or the Yulin dog festival? All international news to be banned? How very Little Englander of you.

The french (and others) are just carrying out their duties as they have always done on 3rd country nationals... the difference is the numbers, millions of Brits go to Europe and the UK has done very little to upgrade border facilities at our ports and roads.

That wasn't my discussion. Scan and stamping is fine. If they check the money of every single person from a 3rd country who enters the EU, fine. But if they decide to target one country because they want to punish them, as posters are saying they should and could do, that is not fine. And probably even contravenes eu law.

It’s one thing we like to do is holiday, if it gets difficult for France people will choose elsewhere

Or Spain.. all these Brexit border threads merge after a while

Countries who make it easier will see the financial benefit

EU absolutely says you can apply to everyone from a certain country, actually.

@MarshaMelrose No you ve completely mis read what i wrote, which is...

....France will implement its/EU border policy, regardless of what people on here say.... NOT that we can't discuss it.

What a Govt minister says may have more influence.