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Don’t want to “make friends” with neighbour’s dog…

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 18:58

NC for this. Sorry it's long!

Small backstory: Neighbour has a yappy dog that never stops, it comes right up to the fence in our back garden and barks incessantly whenever any of us go into the garden. It also barks at passers by on the street - it literally follows them along the fence yapping incessantly as they walk down the street. Neighbour does very little to address this - the occasion half hearted “stop that (name of dog)”, but it doesn’t listen to her and she doesn’t physically remove it. Last year I had a word with the neighbour about this through the fence - the barking was so bad it was upsetting my then newborn aged baby as we sat in the garden. She argued back with me and was generally unpleasant, so I threatened to report her if it didn’t stop. This was around 12 months ago and I’ve had no interactions with her since. The dog has done its usual nuisance barking at the fence when we’ve been out in the garden but I’ve largely tried to ignore it, and now that DD is a bit older she isn’t as startled or bothered by it. So we just largely ignore now.

Today I took DD (now 15 months) out in the garden to play. I sat on the grass relaxing whilst she played. Yappy dog approached the fence as per usual, but we were far enough away from the fence that I could mostly tune it out and just focus on playing with DD. DD didn’t seem remotely bothered by it either. I was then aware of neighbour approaching the fence and heard her say “oh are you saying hello (dogs name)?” Dog continued to incessantly yap. I ignored and continued to play with DD.

Next thing I heard “excuse me can I talk to you?“ through the fence. The fence is too high to see over it, and you can just about make out a person through the slats but I couldn’t really see her. I said “sorry, do you mean me?” (Not really able to see anyone at this point, just a shadow through the fence, and I was also sat a good few feet away from the fence. She said “yes”. I said “erm, yeah I suppose, I can’t see you but I can hear you”. She said “I’m sorry my dog barks and annoys you”. I replied “that’s ok” and then continued to engage with DD who was toddling around (so my attention was more focussed on her and I honestly didn’t want to have any interaction with anyone else at that point). I was hoping this would end the conversation. She continued: “if you made friends with her, she wouldn’t bark at you”. I just again decided to give a one word answer in the hope she would disengage from me as all I wanted to do was relax and play with DD. I replied again “right, ok”. She then continued… “if you made friends with her she wouldn’t bark and then you wouldn’t complain, would you”.

At this point I got irritated as she was pushing an unwanted conversation and also implying I had “complained” when I’d had one interaction with her about this a whole year ago where I’d threatened to complain but not followed that through, and also not mentioned the dog to her since.

I replied: “I just want to enjoy my garden with my DD. I don’t want to have to make friends with a dog through the fence. If your dog is barking constantly it’s because you aren’t training her properly, and that’s up to you to address. It’s not down to other people to make friends with your dog”.

It was more than I wanted to invest in the interaction but to be honest she had annoyed me by that point.

She then said, randomly, “how old is your daughter now?” I replied with her age. In between I was playing with DD and interacting with her, hoping neighbour would get the hint that I didn’t want to engage with her. She then said “what’s her name?” I replied with her name. Just one word answers to try to end it. She then said “ok. I just thought we could be friends that’s all”. Then she (presumably) walked off back to her house (like I say, limited visibility through the fence).

The whole interaction was just so random. Firstly I hadn’t commented on her dog, I was minding my own business and playing with DD. Also a whole year has passed since our last interaction so why approach me now? It would have made sense if I’d complained there and then about the dog, but I’d said nothing. I was just ignoring it as I usually do.

If it’s relevant this isn’t a next door neighbour as such. It’s hard to explain but we are a detached house and her back garden and mine back share a boundary fence. Our houses are nowhere near each other and are actually on separate streets. I am friends with my next door neighbour, by choice, who is lovely. I have no desire to be friends with this other neighbour or her dog.

Was I mean or unreasonable to not want to be friends with either her or her dog? When I'm in my garden I just want to relax and enjoy my garden and my daughter. Is this reasonable? Also, should random people be expected to befriend dogs, or is the onus on the owners to stop the barking regardless?

Any thoughts welcomed.

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SpartacusNotEsther · 18/07/2022 16:36

The sheer number of messages that have had to be deleted is utterly depressing.

And yet still they post!

Honestly op, their vileness is not a reflection on you. Just hide the thread and move on. Life is too short to deal with people like that.

randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 16:36

@ApplesandBunions

I've reported that bully, yet again. Every single comment of theirs has gone, so that one will shortly follow no doubt. Won't be long before they're banned if they keep it up, i imagine.

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Lalosalamanca · 18/07/2022 16:36

I don't feel ashamed at all. But thanks for sharing your thoughts.

randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 16:36

@SpartacusNotEsther

Thank you

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honeybeesknees · 18/07/2022 16:37

I’ve reported it too. Absolutely disgusting!

randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 16:37

honeybeesknees · 18/07/2022 16:35

Oh my goodness @Lalosalamanca ! I haven’t seen any of your other deleted posts, but I can certainly say from that last one that you come across as a million times ruder and more vile than the OP! I would be utterly ashamed of myself if I were to speak to someone the way you have.

It wouldn't even enter my radar to speak like that poster has.

Speaks volumes about their character. Just awful.

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Latecomer131 · 18/07/2022 16:39

@randomdogfriend ignore the hate on this thread, it seems to be bringing out people who are being overly defensive as they are probably aware that their own precious "fur babies" are actually a huge pain in the arse for their neighbours.

People don't like a post that makes them think too much about how they might personally be causing problems for others. Criticising you for your (pretty measured given the circumstances) response to your selfish neighbour helps them convince themselves that they personally aren't being selfish arseholes for letting Rover bark all day.

MichaelMumsnet · 18/07/2022 16:43

Hi all, we've removed a few posts from this thread for making personal attacks. Please do bear in mind the Talk guidelines when posting. Hopefully things will get back on track now.

Lalosalamanca · 18/07/2022 16:49

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randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 16:54

MichaelMumsnet · 18/07/2022 16:43

Hi all, we've removed a few posts from this thread for making personal attacks. Please do bear in mind the Talk guidelines when posting. Hopefully things will get back on track now.

Thank you

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randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 17:34

Latecomer131 · 18/07/2022 16:39

@randomdogfriend ignore the hate on this thread, it seems to be bringing out people who are being overly defensive as they are probably aware that their own precious "fur babies" are actually a huge pain in the arse for their neighbours.

People don't like a post that makes them think too much about how they might personally be causing problems for others. Criticising you for your (pretty measured given the circumstances) response to your selfish neighbour helps them convince themselves that they personally aren't being selfish arseholes for letting Rover bark all day.

This sounds like a fair assessment. I think you're right.

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randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 17:48

I'm sensing the op will never be able to get over the fact the dog dared to bark when she had a newborn and is holding a grudge. Sounds to me like she really struggled with the world continuing whilst she had a newborn baby.

I know this comment wasn't posted in good faith and was yet another an attempt to bully and belittle me, however, ironically it's partly correct.

I struggled with a lot after DD was born thanks to quite severe postnatal depression. My baby crying reduced me to an anxious ball of stress, because all I wanted to do was make it stop and make my baby happy. I told myself if my baby was crying it was because I was failing as a mum. It took months of therapy to address that.

So yes, a dog barking incessantly and startling my newborn baby to tears was a huge trigger for my anxiety at that time. I panicked when she was distressed. I still do, to some extent. I'm not ashamed to admit that. Despite feeling that way, however, I was not an arsehole to the neighbour at the time. I asked her nicely (I was actually fighting back tears at the time I remember it well) to please stop her dog from barking right up at the fence. She was unpleasant in return. It's not something I can easily forget because my mental health was so low at the time and in that moment I needed kindness. It wasn't there. Now I'm supposed to be kind to her? With no real apology - just a half hearted shouting over the fence attempt to engage with me, when I have no interest in engaging with her or her dog and I'm playing with DD?

No. I don't think so.

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SaySomethingMan · 18/07/2022 17:50

Loveisnotloving · 18/07/2022 16:09

And in all the time the OP has spent arguing with every single individual on this thread. Perfect Little One has toddled out the back garden and has made friends with yap dog from the other side of fence while neighbour tells her stories about Lassie.

Problem solved.

You know she hasn’t. What do you get for making things up?

Americano75 · 18/07/2022 17:56

I'm sensing the op will never be able to get over the fact the dog dared to bark when she had a newborn and is holding a grudge. Sounds to me like she really struggled with the world continuing whilst she had a newborn baby.

Bet you feel really good about this one now, don't you?

Seriously, so many people on here should be ashamed of themselves, how bloody nasty.

Lalosalamanca · 18/07/2022 17:58

randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 17:48

I'm sensing the op will never be able to get over the fact the dog dared to bark when she had a newborn and is holding a grudge. Sounds to me like she really struggled with the world continuing whilst she had a newborn baby.

I know this comment wasn't posted in good faith and was yet another an attempt to bully and belittle me, however, ironically it's partly correct.

I struggled with a lot after DD was born thanks to quite severe postnatal depression. My baby crying reduced me to an anxious ball of stress, because all I wanted to do was make it stop and make my baby happy. I told myself if my baby was crying it was because I was failing as a mum. It took months of therapy to address that.

So yes, a dog barking incessantly and startling my newborn baby to tears was a huge trigger for my anxiety at that time. I panicked when she was distressed. I still do, to some extent. I'm not ashamed to admit that. Despite feeling that way, however, I was not an arsehole to the neighbour at the time. I asked her nicely (I was actually fighting back tears at the time I remember it well) to please stop her dog from barking right up at the fence. She was unpleasant in return. It's not something I can easily forget because my mental health was so low at the time and in that moment I needed kindness. It wasn't there. Now I'm supposed to be kind to her? With no real apology - just a half hearted shouting over the fence attempt to engage with me, when I have no interest in engaging with her or her dog and I'm playing with DD?

No. I don't think so.

Nope, was not an attempt to bully you. That's your interpretation though and I have no control over that. Simply told you what I intuitively believed, which you confirmed was indeed correct.

I also believe that because of this you are in fact holding a grudge and because of this you can't and won't act reasonably with your neighbour.

Of course I doubt youll agree with this point, yet in time I'm absolutely confident when you are in a better place mentally and aren't feeling so sensitive you will see the opportunity you have missed with you neighbour by allowing your emotions and grudge to take over resulting in your unreasonable response to her attempt at an olive branch

ApplesandBunions · 18/07/2022 18:01

Dunning Kruger, ladies and gentlemen.

tigger1001 · 18/07/2022 18:08

"People that don't like animals and see neighbours as strangers. Weird."

Why? On either count? Genuine question.

Why is is weird to not want to friend a dog? Why is it weird to expect the owner to have responsibility of the dog? And train the dog not to bark?

Not everyone knows their neighbours. I know a few of mine - but there are some in the street who keep themselves to themselves (absolutely fine) so how else would I describe them? I don't know them. So strangers surely?

Lalosalamanca · 18/07/2022 18:09

Lol@ApplesandBunions

randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 18:11

I'm absolutely confident when you are in a better place mentally and aren't feeling so sensitive you will see the opportunity you have missed with you neighbour

Genuine question. You say "Opportunity". But for what? That word implies there's something in it for me. But I don't see that there is. I have no interest in forming a friendship with this person - not necessarily because of a "grudge", btw - I currently don't even feel angry towards her. I just feel, well - indifferent and disinterested, I guess. Therefore, what exactly is this opportunity for me?

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Lalosalamanca · 18/07/2022 18:13

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randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 18:13

Not everyone knows their neighbours. I know a few of mine - but there are some in the street who keep themselves to themselves (absolutely fine) so how else would I describe them? I don't know them. So strangers surely?

Exactly. This.

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SpartacusNotEsther · 18/07/2022 18:16

I'm utterly astonished by the sheer number of posts someone can have deleted, yet are still permitted to post.

I'm pretty sure that one person is taking up more time than the entire rest of the membership combined.

randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 18:17

SpartacusNotEsther · 18/07/2022 18:16

I'm utterly astonished by the sheer number of posts someone can have deleted, yet are still permitted to post.

I'm pretty sure that one person is taking up more time than the entire rest of the membership combined.

I'm astonished too.

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Lalosalamanca · 18/07/2022 18:19

@randomdogfriend
I think for me I saw an opportunity in that by acknowledging the dog you may will put a stop to the yapping which benefits you when you are in the garden. I'm not suggesting you need to become friends with the neighbour or dog but a simple small act could change the situation you find yourself in and would benefit you. Obviously if you don't mind the yapping then I'm wrong there's no missed opportunity

Huntswomanonthemove · 18/07/2022 18:47

It’s entirely up to the owner to train her dog properly. If the dog is barking for attention from the neighbour and it gets attention, then bad behaviour is being rewarded.

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