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Don’t want to “make friends” with neighbour’s dog…

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 18:58

NC for this. Sorry it's long!

Small backstory: Neighbour has a yappy dog that never stops, it comes right up to the fence in our back garden and barks incessantly whenever any of us go into the garden. It also barks at passers by on the street - it literally follows them along the fence yapping incessantly as they walk down the street. Neighbour does very little to address this - the occasion half hearted “stop that (name of dog)”, but it doesn’t listen to her and she doesn’t physically remove it. Last year I had a word with the neighbour about this through the fence - the barking was so bad it was upsetting my then newborn aged baby as we sat in the garden. She argued back with me and was generally unpleasant, so I threatened to report her if it didn’t stop. This was around 12 months ago and I’ve had no interactions with her since. The dog has done its usual nuisance barking at the fence when we’ve been out in the garden but I’ve largely tried to ignore it, and now that DD is a bit older she isn’t as startled or bothered by it. So we just largely ignore now.

Today I took DD (now 15 months) out in the garden to play. I sat on the grass relaxing whilst she played. Yappy dog approached the fence as per usual, but we were far enough away from the fence that I could mostly tune it out and just focus on playing with DD. DD didn’t seem remotely bothered by it either. I was then aware of neighbour approaching the fence and heard her say “oh are you saying hello (dogs name)?” Dog continued to incessantly yap. I ignored and continued to play with DD.

Next thing I heard “excuse me can I talk to you?“ through the fence. The fence is too high to see over it, and you can just about make out a person through the slats but I couldn’t really see her. I said “sorry, do you mean me?” (Not really able to see anyone at this point, just a shadow through the fence, and I was also sat a good few feet away from the fence. She said “yes”. I said “erm, yeah I suppose, I can’t see you but I can hear you”. She said “I’m sorry my dog barks and annoys you”. I replied “that’s ok” and then continued to engage with DD who was toddling around (so my attention was more focussed on her and I honestly didn’t want to have any interaction with anyone else at that point). I was hoping this would end the conversation. She continued: “if you made friends with her, she wouldn’t bark at you”. I just again decided to give a one word answer in the hope she would disengage from me as all I wanted to do was relax and play with DD. I replied again “right, ok”. She then continued… “if you made friends with her she wouldn’t bark and then you wouldn’t complain, would you”.

At this point I got irritated as she was pushing an unwanted conversation and also implying I had “complained” when I’d had one interaction with her about this a whole year ago where I’d threatened to complain but not followed that through, and also not mentioned the dog to her since.

I replied: “I just want to enjoy my garden with my DD. I don’t want to have to make friends with a dog through the fence. If your dog is barking constantly it’s because you aren’t training her properly, and that’s up to you to address. It’s not down to other people to make friends with your dog”.

It was more than I wanted to invest in the interaction but to be honest she had annoyed me by that point.

She then said, randomly, “how old is your daughter now?” I replied with her age. In between I was playing with DD and interacting with her, hoping neighbour would get the hint that I didn’t want to engage with her. She then said “what’s her name?” I replied with her name. Just one word answers to try to end it. She then said “ok. I just thought we could be friends that’s all”. Then she (presumably) walked off back to her house (like I say, limited visibility through the fence).

The whole interaction was just so random. Firstly I hadn’t commented on her dog, I was minding my own business and playing with DD. Also a whole year has passed since our last interaction so why approach me now? It would have made sense if I’d complained there and then about the dog, but I’d said nothing. I was just ignoring it as I usually do.

If it’s relevant this isn’t a next door neighbour as such. It’s hard to explain but we are a detached house and her back garden and mine back share a boundary fence. Our houses are nowhere near each other and are actually on separate streets. I am friends with my next door neighbour, by choice, who is lovely. I have no desire to be friends with this other neighbour or her dog.

Was I mean or unreasonable to not want to be friends with either her or her dog? When I'm in my garden I just want to relax and enjoy my garden and my daughter. Is this reasonable? Also, should random people be expected to befriend dogs, or is the onus on the owners to stop the barking regardless?

Any thoughts welcomed.

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milkyaqua · 18/07/2022 09:58

Londonrach1 · 18/07/2022 06:36

You were rude. She was trying to make peace with you. Yabu in this case no matter how to look at this. Rude!

If she was trying to "make peace" with the OP, why did she wait an entire year to do this?

Blaming the OP for her untrained dog's behaviour, for not being friendly enough towards it, is not "making peace".

SpartacusNotEsther · 18/07/2022 10:14

maddy68 · 18/07/2022 09:46

Your reaction was really rude and unfriendly. She was trying to address a problem for you in a nice neighbourly way and you were rude

She's right too. The dog is defending its territory. If he knows you and you speak to him it'll shut up. And know you are friend not fo.

Your reaction was truly weird

It's not 'nice and neighbourly' to talk to someone that can't see you because you are behind a fence. It's not 'nice and neighbourly' to wait a year to address an issue. Both of those things are weird.

Sceptre86 · 18/07/2022 10:41

She was trying to make ammends albeit clumsily. Our garden backs onto several gardens and two of the neighbours have dogs that bark once they see our kids. When we first moved in my son was 8 months and dd1 was 2 and would cry and get scared. One of the neighbours would take the dog in when we were out, the others put a screen up. No arguments, no issues. I didn't raise it with either of them but rather would say to my kids things along the lines of the dialogue just being a dog as I don't want them growing up to be scared. They are now nearly 5 and 6 and aren't bothered by the dogs anymore, one of the neighbours has kept the screen up as we have dd2 now and they openly admit their dog isn't a fan of children in general.

You aren't being unreasonable for not wanting to make friends with her dog, I wouldn't either but you shut her down rudely.

randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 11:11

@Sceptre86

My DD was 8 weeks old when the yapping caused her to startle and cry. Using explanations like "don't worry sweetheart it's just a dog" aren't going to help me with a frightened newborn. Hence why I addressed it with the dog owner instead. Like I say, now at 15 months she's much more chilled and barely notices the barking tbh, which is good. If she were to be scared again at this age, explanations like that would be useful, I agree.

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rightonthyme · 18/07/2022 11:38

YANBU. We are having a similar issue. The advice was "oh make friends with the three dogs and they won't bark! Speak to the neighbours!" It hasn't worked anyway. I got physically threatened for my trouble (police did fuck all as there wasn't enough evidence). Dogs still bark at the fucking wind.

We are currently at the stage of physically recording the noise (after filling out noise diary) for the council.

Go the council route OP, it may be that your neighbour has received a complaint already, thinks it's you, and is buttering you up. Fuck her - go all the way and complain complain complain. If she can't be bothered to train her animal she can take the consequences!

Treacletoots · 18/07/2022 14:12

"You do realise there are a mixture of responses? Can you explain why I should be aligning myself with the yabus over the yanbus? Is that a requirement of this forum? Or is it allowed that an OP comes to realise she was not unreasonable based on the mixture of responses"

Where did I say you had to align with either side, although you clearly have aligned with the YANBU ironically, despite there being a mixture of both.

The whole point of AIBU is asking a ton of strangers to hopefully get a balanced viewpoint, not, as you have done, to use to back up your own opinion that you were of course NBU. 🤔

If you were genuinely trying to understand if you were being unreasonable you'd take from the mix of responses that in fact you were perhaps on the fence, if you'll excuse the irony, and that you may have been rude but so was your neighbour.

randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 14:20

@Treacletoots

Hmm. That sounds a bit like you're telling me what I should take from my own thread. 🤔

Doesn't work like that, sorry. We are free to engage with our own threads how we like and we can take from them whatever we like. That's sort of how it works.

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randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 14:23

@Treacletoots

And, I've asked repeatedly for examples of this alleged "rudeness" I am supposed to have engaged in. Nothing concrete or convincing thus far. Just unfounded comments and judgements. Hence why I am more aligned with IANBU, because those posters have presented more convincing and logical arguments.

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TJakes5 · 18/07/2022 14:25

Yes you are approaching this all wrong. You don't have to be best friends with her or Dog. Sometimes Dog's just want to smell you so they know you're not a threat, then they stop barking.

It would make interactions and your time in garden more pleasant by being civil. Maybe you could just say the odd hello or something. Not a big deal is it?

Lalosalamanca · 18/07/2022 14:37

Op has repeatedly demonstrated her inability to be civil though @TJakes5

It's funny she's started a thread asking for opinions but if you give her an opinion she doesn't like she jumps on you.

I'm sensing the op will never be able to get over the fact the dog dared to bark when she had a newborn and is holding a grudge. Sounds to me like she really struggled with the world continuing whilst she had a newborn baby.

TJakes5 · 18/07/2022 14:45

Lalosalamanca · 18/07/2022 14:37

Op has repeatedly demonstrated her inability to be civil though @TJakes5

It's funny she's started a thread asking for opinions but if you give her an opinion she doesn't like she jumps on you.

I'm sensing the op will never be able to get over the fact the dog dared to bark when she had a newborn and is holding a grudge. Sounds to me like she really struggled with the world continuing whilst she had a newborn baby.

Exactly!
We have neighbours Dogs that yap occasionally. Just part of residential Life. No point getting all stressed about it or holding petty grudges. TBH the neighbour sounds reasonable enough.

randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 14:50

Lalosalamanca · 18/07/2022 14:37

Op has repeatedly demonstrated her inability to be civil though @TJakes5

It's funny she's started a thread asking for opinions but if you give her an opinion she doesn't like she jumps on you.

I'm sensing the op will never be able to get over the fact the dog dared to bark when she had a newborn and is holding a grudge. Sounds to me like she really struggled with the world continuing whilst she had a newborn baby.

🤣🤣🤣

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randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 14:52

It's funny she's started a thread asking for opinions but if you give her an opinion she doesn't like she jumps on you.

It's funny that it's phrased as "she jumps on you" when it's literally a response, like all my others. I've responded to posters who agree with me and those who do not. I've had a two way interaction with many posters on here, with many opinions. I'm allowed to respond to those who disagree, too, you know. It's within the rules of the site, n all that. 😄

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vodkaredbullgirl · 18/07/2022 14:54

Mountains and mole hills.

Loveisnotloving · 18/07/2022 14:57

Ahhhhh DAY 3 in the Yip Yappy House and Miss Yappy is still a yappin' about how she is right about the neighbour yappin' over the fence about the dog yappin'!

Such entertainment.

AryaStarkWolf · 18/07/2022 14:58

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 19:06

@blisstwins

How was I unkind? Should be befriend everyone and anyone who approaches us? Or are we entitled to boundaries and choices?

She's not some randomer on the street approaching you though is she? She's your next door neighbour :/

FairyBatman · 18/07/2022 14:59

I don’t think you were unreasonable, but I do think maybe it was a missed opportunity.

From what you’ve described she was trying to make peace, and although the idea of making friends with a dog is a bit bonkers I personally think it’s worth making a little effort to be on friendly terms with neighbours, but if you don’t want to reciprocate then fair enough.

Lalosalamanca · 18/07/2022 15:00

If you are so certain you weren't rude why did you start a thread asking whether you were unreasonable or not?

TJakes5 · 18/07/2022 15:01

MrsJBaptiste · 17/07/2022 21:28

I am not interested in animals in the slightest, there's no way I'd be saying hello to a dog every time I went in my garden just to shut the damn thing up and I hate owners who say "but he'll be quiet after you say hello and pat him". Well I dont give a shit, I don't want to interact with a dog FFS, take it away and leave us alone.

Not even a cute fluffy Dog?

Lalosalamanca · 18/07/2022 15:02

Do you have the ability to see that your behaviour to many would be classified as rude? Your neighbour obviously would of left the interaction thinking that at the very least of that I'm sure you can agree.

Sartre · 18/07/2022 15:05

I think you were a bit harsh. She was clearly trying to be friendly, maybe she’s a bit lonely and doesn’t have many friends. The dog sounds irritating but I don’t think your neighbour sounds vindictive. It’s always good to keep the peace with neighbours.

Lalosalamanca · 18/07/2022 15:05

I haven't read the whole thread op, I haven't got the time. Unlike you...How's that baby BTW?

Anyway from what I have seen, when people tell you something that isn't in line with your own view you have come across as aggy and unable to accept their point. Which is strange to me given you wanted opinions but there you go....

Hope you find a way of letting go of that grudge op it's really no way to live a life xxxxx

Lalosalamanca · 18/07/2022 15:08

Loveisnotloving · 18/07/2022 14:57

Ahhhhh DAY 3 in the Yip Yappy House and Miss Yappy is still a yappin' about how she is right about the neighbour yappin' over the fence about the dog yappin'!

Such entertainment.

Quality

randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 15:08

She's not some randomer on the street approaching you though is she? She's your next door neighbour :/

Nope. She's not. Read the Op, 👍🏻

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randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 15:09

How's that baby BTW?

She's absolutely beautiful and perfect, thanks for asking.

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