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Don’t want to “make friends” with neighbour’s dog…

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 18:58

NC for this. Sorry it's long!

Small backstory: Neighbour has a yappy dog that never stops, it comes right up to the fence in our back garden and barks incessantly whenever any of us go into the garden. It also barks at passers by on the street - it literally follows them along the fence yapping incessantly as they walk down the street. Neighbour does very little to address this - the occasion half hearted “stop that (name of dog)”, but it doesn’t listen to her and she doesn’t physically remove it. Last year I had a word with the neighbour about this through the fence - the barking was so bad it was upsetting my then newborn aged baby as we sat in the garden. She argued back with me and was generally unpleasant, so I threatened to report her if it didn’t stop. This was around 12 months ago and I’ve had no interactions with her since. The dog has done its usual nuisance barking at the fence when we’ve been out in the garden but I’ve largely tried to ignore it, and now that DD is a bit older she isn’t as startled or bothered by it. So we just largely ignore now.

Today I took DD (now 15 months) out in the garden to play. I sat on the grass relaxing whilst she played. Yappy dog approached the fence as per usual, but we were far enough away from the fence that I could mostly tune it out and just focus on playing with DD. DD didn’t seem remotely bothered by it either. I was then aware of neighbour approaching the fence and heard her say “oh are you saying hello (dogs name)?” Dog continued to incessantly yap. I ignored and continued to play with DD.

Next thing I heard “excuse me can I talk to you?“ through the fence. The fence is too high to see over it, and you can just about make out a person through the slats but I couldn’t really see her. I said “sorry, do you mean me?” (Not really able to see anyone at this point, just a shadow through the fence, and I was also sat a good few feet away from the fence. She said “yes”. I said “erm, yeah I suppose, I can’t see you but I can hear you”. She said “I’m sorry my dog barks and annoys you”. I replied “that’s ok” and then continued to engage with DD who was toddling around (so my attention was more focussed on her and I honestly didn’t want to have any interaction with anyone else at that point). I was hoping this would end the conversation. She continued: “if you made friends with her, she wouldn’t bark at you”. I just again decided to give a one word answer in the hope she would disengage from me as all I wanted to do was relax and play with DD. I replied again “right, ok”. She then continued… “if you made friends with her she wouldn’t bark and then you wouldn’t complain, would you”.

At this point I got irritated as she was pushing an unwanted conversation and also implying I had “complained” when I’d had one interaction with her about this a whole year ago where I’d threatened to complain but not followed that through, and also not mentioned the dog to her since.

I replied: “I just want to enjoy my garden with my DD. I don’t want to have to make friends with a dog through the fence. If your dog is barking constantly it’s because you aren’t training her properly, and that’s up to you to address. It’s not down to other people to make friends with your dog”.

It was more than I wanted to invest in the interaction but to be honest she had annoyed me by that point.

She then said, randomly, “how old is your daughter now?” I replied with her age. In between I was playing with DD and interacting with her, hoping neighbour would get the hint that I didn’t want to engage with her. She then said “what’s her name?” I replied with her name. Just one word answers to try to end it. She then said “ok. I just thought we could be friends that’s all”. Then she (presumably) walked off back to her house (like I say, limited visibility through the fence).

The whole interaction was just so random. Firstly I hadn’t commented on her dog, I was minding my own business and playing with DD. Also a whole year has passed since our last interaction so why approach me now? It would have made sense if I’d complained there and then about the dog, but I’d said nothing. I was just ignoring it as I usually do.

If it’s relevant this isn’t a next door neighbour as such. It’s hard to explain but we are a detached house and her back garden and mine back share a boundary fence. Our houses are nowhere near each other and are actually on separate streets. I am friends with my next door neighbour, by choice, who is lovely. I have no desire to be friends with this other neighbour or her dog.

Was I mean or unreasonable to not want to be friends with either her or her dog? When I'm in my garden I just want to relax and enjoy my garden and my daughter. Is this reasonable? Also, should random people be expected to befriend dogs, or is the onus on the owners to stop the barking regardless?

Any thoughts welcomed.

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Marvellousmadness · 18/07/2022 04:37

Get a water gun 🤣

Butchyrestingface · 18/07/2022 05:44

No, I started the FIRST interaction through the fence, in which I politely asked her to remove the dog away from the fence.

Yes, that's my point. You tried to make her sound like a weirdo for starting an interaction with you through the fence. But YOU had already set the scene for through-the-fence chatting by starting an interaction/confrontation with her through the fence a year earlier.

I don't think you'll need to worry about it happening again though. Grin

Butchyrestingface · 18/07/2022 05:47

Bottom line - if she made an effort to prevent her dog from being a total PITA none of this would even be an issue. And that's why she's 100% at fault.

Incidentally, why ARE you posting on AIBU if you're convinced that your neighbour is 100% at fault?

randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 05:47

milkyaqua · 18/07/2022 00:19

I agree, Log yourself with 101. Officer, I did not "make friends" with the yap dog!
It barks all the time and it is all my fault! A couple of burglars have been in my area, and it is my fault they are doing crime because I did not make friends with them either. Several husbands in an adjoining street have left their wives and I am ashamed to say I did not make friends with those husbands. I heard a lady in the supermarket say her sponge cake had failed to rise, and I feel really if I had taken the trouble to make friends with her, too, she would not be dealing with this. Some of the houses in my street need their windows done, and clearly I...

😂😂

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randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 05:48

Americano75 · 17/07/2022 23:19

OP, I need to applaud you. You've taken all sorts of shite and handled it brilliantly. Hilarious that you've been berated in the rudest possible ways for your perceived rudeness and when you've refused to capitulate you're getting flames for responding too much! And your poor child with such a dreadful mother.

Absolute fucking bin fire.

Thank you.

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randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 05:49

CelestiaNoctis · 18/07/2022 01:26

Fuck her. You were totally in your right. I'd definitely complain now, clearly a bit of a fruit loop. I also wouldn't have told her anything about your child, she's a stranger! It's your private garden, I wouldn't have entertained any of it. Me and my neighbour have a bamboo fence that's see-through and they have 2 dogs and we don't get bothered and pretend we don't see each other while in our private spaces. That's being a polite and respectful neighbour.

Exactly. I wish I lived next to you instead!

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randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 05:52

YANBU OP. Maybe your neighbour should move house next door to all the posters who think you are a big meanie about her precious fur baby.

I would LOVE this. Whenever they heard the incessant yapping they could pop out and send their "positive vibes" through the fence and befriend Fido. They'd be in their element if this thread is anything to go by. 😂

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Rattles1 · 18/07/2022 05:53

I’m just jealous you ‘sat on the grass relaxing’ whilst your 15 month old DD played. I’m running around after my 16month olds, no sitting or relaxing ! A dog next door would just add to that excitement !

randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 05:55

Haha @Rattles1 it was a rare moment of relative chilled play! She's been teething and generally grumpy a lot of the time so not her usual self - she just pottered really with her toys, so I was able to be a bit more relaxed than normal. Normal form for her is 90mph around the place though 😂

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Rattles1 · 18/07/2022 05:59

Ah, that makes me feel better ha ha. Mine were definitely a lot more sensitive when they were younger , especially as semi Covid babies, so a barking door next door would have upset them and stressed me out to be honest. I’d certainly have to energy right now to make friends with a dog (nor know how to )

Rattles1 · 18/07/2022 06:00

No energy , not to*

randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 06:05

@Rattles1

Ah its hard for the lockdown babies isn't it.

Exactly - with a baby / very young toddler, who the hell has the energy to be making friends with a bloody random dog?! It was such a rare moment of chill sat on the grass for the 10/15 minutes with her... seriously not spending that exchanging pleasantries with Fido and his inconsiderate owner 🙄

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Aubree17 · 18/07/2022 06:08

OnaBegonia · 16/07/2022 19:01

YABU, she's trying to make peace with you.

This.

QuebecBagnet · 18/07/2022 06:25

I agree you shouldn’t have to and yes it absolutely should be your neighbour sorting the dog out but she’s either unwilling or incapable. So if I had a choice between spending a short amount of time befriending the dog meaning long term peace and quiet or having to put up with the dog for ever I’d give it a go.

the dog needs positive reinforcement and to associate you with nice things, with the owners permission I’d be giving it treats for a bit so it soon sees you as a friend. Maybe a quick chat with the neighbour about positive reinforcement training methods from her to get the dog to stop doing stuff. She firmly tells the dog to stop barking, if necessary removing the dog and when it stops she gives it a treat. And repeat. It might be hard work for a few days but dogs learn quickly and hopefully it wouldn’t take longer than that.

Londonrach1 · 18/07/2022 06:36

You were rude. She was trying to make peace with you. Yabu in this case no matter how to look at this. Rude!

SpartacusNotEsther · 18/07/2022 06:48

Londonrach1 · 18/07/2022 06:36

You were rude. She was trying to make peace with you. Yabu in this case no matter how to look at this. Rude!

a) why was there a need to make peace? Op hadn't interacted with the neighbour for a year?

b) how was op rude? The neighbour decided to have a conversation when op couldn't even see her (who does that when they are trying to 'make peace' with someone?). The neighbour decided the best way to resolve there issue was to pass the buck into op. Op started out by acknowledging what the neighbour was saying, but the neighbour didn't take the hint and repeated herself. What was op supposed to say in order to stop getting talked at through a garden fence? Should she have agreed to try and befriend a dog she couldn't see and has no interest in?

randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 07:10

@SpartacusNotEsther

You have understood my perspective 100%!

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Jangle7381 · 18/07/2022 08:38

Londonrach1 · 18/07/2022 06:36

You were rude. She was trying to make peace with you. Yabu in this case no matter how to look at this. Rude!

This!

SpartacusNotEsther · 18/07/2022 08:50

I'm trying to imagine a) the neighbour having the conversation with op, if op was the baby's father rather than the mother.

b) people thinking that the man of the house was rude for not wanting to engage with the neighbour and befriend the yappy dog.

I do realise this is a bit of a tangent, and I'm sure that the people that have said op was rude will defend their position and say it wouldn't make a difference. And it certainly shouldn't. But I have a strong suspicion that, in reality, it would.

JauntyJinty · 18/07/2022 09:02

Jangle7381 · 18/07/2022 08:38

This!

She was only "making peace" becasue she wanted to pass the responsility of training her dog onto OP

Mumsnet usually

"Have boundaries, don't let CF take advantage - they rely on people being polite, "no" is a complete sentence"

Mumsnet on this thread

"She shouted over the fence to you using nice words? You're in charge of training her dog now"

ApplesandBunions · 18/07/2022 09:36

SpartacusNotEsther · 18/07/2022 08:50

I'm trying to imagine a) the neighbour having the conversation with op, if op was the baby's father rather than the mother.

b) people thinking that the man of the house was rude for not wanting to engage with the neighbour and befriend the yappy dog.

I do realise this is a bit of a tangent, and I'm sure that the people that have said op was rude will defend their position and say it wouldn't make a difference. And it certainly shouldn't. But I have a strong suspicion that, in reality, it would.

Likewise.

maddy68 · 18/07/2022 09:46

Your reaction was really rude and unfriendly. She was trying to address a problem for you in a nice neighbourly way and you were rude

She's right too. The dog is defending its territory. If he knows you and you speak to him it'll shut up. And know you are friend not fo.

Your reaction was truly weird

randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 09:51

@maddy68

She was trying to address a problem for whom, though? I have no problem. I just wanted to enjoy my afternoon in the garden. I'm not going to start engaging with solving problems that don't exist for me, nor engaging with people or animals whom I have no interest in. I just wanted to enjoy my day.

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randomdogfriend · 18/07/2022 09:51

SpartacusNotEsther · 18/07/2022 08:50

I'm trying to imagine a) the neighbour having the conversation with op, if op was the baby's father rather than the mother.

b) people thinking that the man of the house was rude for not wanting to engage with the neighbour and befriend the yappy dog.

I do realise this is a bit of a tangent, and I'm sure that the people that have said op was rude will defend their position and say it wouldn't make a difference. And it certainly shouldn't. But I have a strong suspicion that, in reality, it would.

I suspect so, too. Different standards applied because I'm female, no doubt.

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Gnomechange · 18/07/2022 09:57

Not the point but how would one make friends with a dog, gifts, invitation over? 😃

I don’t think you were being unreasonable at all, if she wanted to make amends she should have come to your door not creepily through a fence while you are busy. That is weird!

Maybe consider planting a quick growing bush. If the dog see you it might bark less.