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Don’t want to “make friends” with neighbour’s dog…

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 18:58

NC for this. Sorry it's long!

Small backstory: Neighbour has a yappy dog that never stops, it comes right up to the fence in our back garden and barks incessantly whenever any of us go into the garden. It also barks at passers by on the street - it literally follows them along the fence yapping incessantly as they walk down the street. Neighbour does very little to address this - the occasion half hearted “stop that (name of dog)”, but it doesn’t listen to her and she doesn’t physically remove it. Last year I had a word with the neighbour about this through the fence - the barking was so bad it was upsetting my then newborn aged baby as we sat in the garden. She argued back with me and was generally unpleasant, so I threatened to report her if it didn’t stop. This was around 12 months ago and I’ve had no interactions with her since. The dog has done its usual nuisance barking at the fence when we’ve been out in the garden but I’ve largely tried to ignore it, and now that DD is a bit older she isn’t as startled or bothered by it. So we just largely ignore now.

Today I took DD (now 15 months) out in the garden to play. I sat on the grass relaxing whilst she played. Yappy dog approached the fence as per usual, but we were far enough away from the fence that I could mostly tune it out and just focus on playing with DD. DD didn’t seem remotely bothered by it either. I was then aware of neighbour approaching the fence and heard her say “oh are you saying hello (dogs name)?” Dog continued to incessantly yap. I ignored and continued to play with DD.

Next thing I heard “excuse me can I talk to you?“ through the fence. The fence is too high to see over it, and you can just about make out a person through the slats but I couldn’t really see her. I said “sorry, do you mean me?” (Not really able to see anyone at this point, just a shadow through the fence, and I was also sat a good few feet away from the fence. She said “yes”. I said “erm, yeah I suppose, I can’t see you but I can hear you”. She said “I’m sorry my dog barks and annoys you”. I replied “that’s ok” and then continued to engage with DD who was toddling around (so my attention was more focussed on her and I honestly didn’t want to have any interaction with anyone else at that point). I was hoping this would end the conversation. She continued: “if you made friends with her, she wouldn’t bark at you”. I just again decided to give a one word answer in the hope she would disengage from me as all I wanted to do was relax and play with DD. I replied again “right, ok”. She then continued… “if you made friends with her she wouldn’t bark and then you wouldn’t complain, would you”.

At this point I got irritated as she was pushing an unwanted conversation and also implying I had “complained” when I’d had one interaction with her about this a whole year ago where I’d threatened to complain but not followed that through, and also not mentioned the dog to her since.

I replied: “I just want to enjoy my garden with my DD. I don’t want to have to make friends with a dog through the fence. If your dog is barking constantly it’s because you aren’t training her properly, and that’s up to you to address. It’s not down to other people to make friends with your dog”.

It was more than I wanted to invest in the interaction but to be honest she had annoyed me by that point.

She then said, randomly, “how old is your daughter now?” I replied with her age. In between I was playing with DD and interacting with her, hoping neighbour would get the hint that I didn’t want to engage with her. She then said “what’s her name?” I replied with her name. Just one word answers to try to end it. She then said “ok. I just thought we could be friends that’s all”. Then she (presumably) walked off back to her house (like I say, limited visibility through the fence).

The whole interaction was just so random. Firstly I hadn’t commented on her dog, I was minding my own business and playing with DD. Also a whole year has passed since our last interaction so why approach me now? It would have made sense if I’d complained there and then about the dog, but I’d said nothing. I was just ignoring it as I usually do.

If it’s relevant this isn’t a next door neighbour as such. It’s hard to explain but we are a detached house and her back garden and mine back share a boundary fence. Our houses are nowhere near each other and are actually on separate streets. I am friends with my next door neighbour, by choice, who is lovely. I have no desire to be friends with this other neighbour or her dog.

Was I mean or unreasonable to not want to be friends with either her or her dog? When I'm in my garden I just want to relax and enjoy my garden and my daughter. Is this reasonable? Also, should random people be expected to befriend dogs, or is the onus on the owners to stop the barking regardless?

Any thoughts welcomed.

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randomdogfriend · 17/07/2022 20:47

OP can simply ignore it for a year and then very nicely ask the neighbour to befriend her child to make it stop

👍🏻😂😂😂

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zoeFromCity · 17/07/2022 21:12

RincewindsHat · 17/07/2022 20:03

My neighbour's dog barks and I say "Hello [name of dog]!" and she stops. Maybe that's all your neighbour meant by making friends. Some dogs cannot be easily trained out of barking, eg corgis are very vocal and just will not shut up so maybe her proposed solution is the best one.

If Corgis is unable to shut up, it would be very rude indeed to keep one where other people are living.

The neighbor let the situation be for a full year and even now hasn't proposed any real solution, "making friends" is very unspecific suggestion, and one which shifts effort from dog owner to neighbor.

MrsJBaptiste · 17/07/2022 21:28

I am not interested in animals in the slightest, there's no way I'd be saying hello to a dog every time I went in my garden just to shut the damn thing up and I hate owners who say "but he'll be quiet after you say hello and pat him". Well I dont give a shit, I don't want to interact with a dog FFS, take it away and leave us alone.

randomdogfriend · 17/07/2022 21:36

@MrsJBaptiste

Exactly. Do I insist everyone befriends my child in order to make her behave in a socially acceptable manner? No, I don't. I'm her parent so her behaviour is my responsibility and no one else's.

Yet, we must all befriend dogs and their owners, apparently. Then they will behave in a socially acceptable manner. How about no. Just train the dog and leave me out of it. 🤷‍♀️

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randomdogfriend · 17/07/2022 21:57

stillvicarinatutu · 17/07/2022 20:11

I. Reply to your reply to my post ....

My point is your child (children) will make noise that your neighbour might not want to hear .🤷🏻‍♀️

So? Am I supposed to care about that? My child will play happily in our garden all she likes. The sound of a child playing is in no way, shape or form on par with an annoying, badly trained, constantly yapping dog. Not even close.

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Lalosalamanca · 17/07/2022 22:06

Yawn.

ClinkeyMonkey · 17/07/2022 22:07

Crikey OP, you must have a lot of time on your hands today. Surely 155 (soon to be 156 ...) replies must have taken you away from 'precious time' with your DD. Much more than a couple of minutes interacting with your neighbour.

BeerPongChampion · 17/07/2022 22:14

ClinkeyMonkey · 17/07/2022 22:07

Crikey OP, you must have a lot of time on your hands today. Surely 155 (soon to be 156 ...) replies must have taken you away from 'precious time' with your DD. Much more than a couple of minutes interacting with your neighbour.

Must be some sort of mumsnet record. 🥇

I had the thread hidden but now it’s appeared again. Why? I can’t believe OP has posted so many times. 😂

randomdogfriend · 17/07/2022 22:19

ClinkeyMonkey · 17/07/2022 22:07

Crikey OP, you must have a lot of time on your hands today. Surely 155 (soon to be 156 ...) replies must have taken you away from 'precious time' with your DD. Much more than a couple of minutes interacting with your neighbour.

I spent 6 hours with DD today.
Thanks for your concern.

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randomdogfriend · 17/07/2022 22:20

I can’t believe OP has posted so many times.

See, this makes NO sense to me. If you start a thread, you engage with it surely? Is that not what it's all about? Why would you start a thread and then just walk away? Why do people expect that of an OP? Seems a little strange if you ask me.

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ClinkeyMonkey · 17/07/2022 22:25

Aw you're welcome @randomdogfriend. But only 6 hours? Just think, it could have been 10 if you hadn't been so busy.

Loveisnotloving · 17/07/2022 22:27

I think randomdogfiend suits ya better :)

Don’t want to “make friends” with neighbour’s dog…
randomdogfriend · 17/07/2022 22:28

@ClinkeyMonkey

My daughter has spent time with her grandparents too today - that alright with you?

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BeerPongChampion · 17/07/2022 22:40

randomdogfriend · 17/07/2022 22:20

I can’t believe OP has posted so many times.

See, this makes NO sense to me. If you start a thread, you engage with it surely? Is that not what it's all about? Why would you start a thread and then just walk away? Why do people expect that of an OP? Seems a little strange if you ask me.

Do you not think 150 odd posts since yesterday evening seems excessive? About one third of the posts on the thread are from you. 😅 I’ve genuinely never seen that before. I’m wondering if you’re going to persist until the thread is full arguing your point. 🍿

stillvicarinatutu · 17/07/2022 22:46

My point is you find her dog annoying

She might find kids annoying.

Horses for courses . I have had children and dogs . I'm my neighbour who he's about my dog barking and was rude with it I'd have a problem with her noise pollution.
As it stands we live harmoniously because we're all quite nice people .

randomdogfriend · 17/07/2022 22:56

@BeerPongChampion

No, I don't think it's excessive. I've just responded as I've seen fit. Don't forget I've had to repeat myself a fair few times for people who don't read properly... so there's a fair bit of repetition in those posts.

Just because you haven't seen something before doesn't make it odd or excessive, does it. I'm free to engage how I like with my own thread.

OP posts:
randomdogfriend · 17/07/2022 22:57

@stillvicarinatutu

That's great. I'm a nice person too. To those who are nice to me and deserve it. 👍🏻

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BeerPongChampion · 17/07/2022 22:59

randomdogfriend · 17/07/2022 22:56

@BeerPongChampion

No, I don't think it's excessive. I've just responded as I've seen fit. Don't forget I've had to repeat myself a fair few times for people who don't read properly... so there's a fair bit of repetition in those posts.

Just because you haven't seen something before doesn't make it odd or excessive, does it. I'm free to engage how I like with my own thread.

You are. 🍿

takingmytimeonmyride · 17/07/2022 22:59

YANBU OP. Maybe your neighbour should move house next door to all the posters who think you are a big meanie about her precious fur baby.

I like dogs. Well trained dogs that know when to hush their woof.

I also think someone has reported her and she thinks it is you.

May it is all your fault, with your negative vibes and bad energy wafting in her poor doggy's direction, making it yap all day. Might as well hand yourself into the council, police or whoever now. All dogs barking are your fault. They can feel the vibes man.

Americano75 · 17/07/2022 23:19

OP, I need to applaud you. You've taken all sorts of shite and handled it brilliantly. Hilarious that you've been berated in the rudest possible ways for your perceived rudeness and when you've refused to capitulate you're getting flames for responding too much! And your poor child with such a dreadful mother.

Absolute fucking bin fire.

2bazookas · 17/07/2022 23:21

sounds like someone else has made a formal complaint about noise nuisance from her dog and she thinks it's you. She's worried enough about the complaint, that she's trying to improve relations with you.

milkyaqua · 18/07/2022 00:19

I agree, Log yourself with 101. Officer, I did not "make friends" with the yap dog!
It barks all the time and it is all my fault! A couple of burglars have been in my area, and it is my fault they are doing crime because I did not make friends with them either. Several husbands in an adjoining street have left their wives and I am ashamed to say I did not make friends with those husbands. I heard a lady in the supermarket say her sponge cake had failed to rise, and I feel really if I had taken the trouble to make friends with her, too, she would not be dealing with this. Some of the houses in my street need their windows done, and clearly I...

CelestiaNoctis · 18/07/2022 01:26

Fuck her. You were totally in your right. I'd definitely complain now, clearly a bit of a fruit loop. I also wouldn't have told her anything about your child, she's a stranger! It's your private garden, I wouldn't have entertained any of it. Me and my neighbour have a bamboo fence that's see-through and they have 2 dogs and we don't get bothered and pretend we don't see each other while in our private spaces. That's being a polite and respectful neighbour.

CelestiaNoctis · 18/07/2022 01:28

Some real dog weirdos commenting in here. Sorry Edna, we're not interested in your dog.

Fraaahnces · 18/07/2022 04:34

FFS… Dogs bark incessantly because their owners ALLOW THEM TO, not simply because it’s a dog thing. I don’t live in the UK, but I have a (rather dim) giant breed dog that is obsessed with the geckoes that run across the ceiling of our verandah at night time. If I ALLOWED IT, she would be going off her dial for hours on end, pissing off our neighbours. She gets dragged inside immediately if she barks - every single time - because I am a KIND neighbour. She has (almost) learned this, and as she prefers hanging out on the verandah in the cool, she now sits quietly (most of the time) staring at the little beasties. We live in a densely built-up urban area and people would be very quick to complain if she barked unceasingly - and rightly so. The people diagonally behind us had to rehome their four jack russels that yapped and howled all day and night because of the noise.