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Don’t want to “make friends” with neighbour’s dog…

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 18:58

NC for this. Sorry it's long!

Small backstory: Neighbour has a yappy dog that never stops, it comes right up to the fence in our back garden and barks incessantly whenever any of us go into the garden. It also barks at passers by on the street - it literally follows them along the fence yapping incessantly as they walk down the street. Neighbour does very little to address this - the occasion half hearted “stop that (name of dog)”, but it doesn’t listen to her and she doesn’t physically remove it. Last year I had a word with the neighbour about this through the fence - the barking was so bad it was upsetting my then newborn aged baby as we sat in the garden. She argued back with me and was generally unpleasant, so I threatened to report her if it didn’t stop. This was around 12 months ago and I’ve had no interactions with her since. The dog has done its usual nuisance barking at the fence when we’ve been out in the garden but I’ve largely tried to ignore it, and now that DD is a bit older she isn’t as startled or bothered by it. So we just largely ignore now.

Today I took DD (now 15 months) out in the garden to play. I sat on the grass relaxing whilst she played. Yappy dog approached the fence as per usual, but we were far enough away from the fence that I could mostly tune it out and just focus on playing with DD. DD didn’t seem remotely bothered by it either. I was then aware of neighbour approaching the fence and heard her say “oh are you saying hello (dogs name)?” Dog continued to incessantly yap. I ignored and continued to play with DD.

Next thing I heard “excuse me can I talk to you?“ through the fence. The fence is too high to see over it, and you can just about make out a person through the slats but I couldn’t really see her. I said “sorry, do you mean me?” (Not really able to see anyone at this point, just a shadow through the fence, and I was also sat a good few feet away from the fence. She said “yes”. I said “erm, yeah I suppose, I can’t see you but I can hear you”. She said “I’m sorry my dog barks and annoys you”. I replied “that’s ok” and then continued to engage with DD who was toddling around (so my attention was more focussed on her and I honestly didn’t want to have any interaction with anyone else at that point). I was hoping this would end the conversation. She continued: “if you made friends with her, she wouldn’t bark at you”. I just again decided to give a one word answer in the hope she would disengage from me as all I wanted to do was relax and play with DD. I replied again “right, ok”. She then continued… “if you made friends with her she wouldn’t bark and then you wouldn’t complain, would you”.

At this point I got irritated as she was pushing an unwanted conversation and also implying I had “complained” when I’d had one interaction with her about this a whole year ago where I’d threatened to complain but not followed that through, and also not mentioned the dog to her since.

I replied: “I just want to enjoy my garden with my DD. I don’t want to have to make friends with a dog through the fence. If your dog is barking constantly it’s because you aren’t training her properly, and that’s up to you to address. It’s not down to other people to make friends with your dog”.

It was more than I wanted to invest in the interaction but to be honest she had annoyed me by that point.

She then said, randomly, “how old is your daughter now?” I replied with her age. In between I was playing with DD and interacting with her, hoping neighbour would get the hint that I didn’t want to engage with her. She then said “what’s her name?” I replied with her name. Just one word answers to try to end it. She then said “ok. I just thought we could be friends that’s all”. Then she (presumably) walked off back to her house (like I say, limited visibility through the fence).

The whole interaction was just so random. Firstly I hadn’t commented on her dog, I was minding my own business and playing with DD. Also a whole year has passed since our last interaction so why approach me now? It would have made sense if I’d complained there and then about the dog, but I’d said nothing. I was just ignoring it as I usually do.

If it’s relevant this isn’t a next door neighbour as such. It’s hard to explain but we are a detached house and her back garden and mine back share a boundary fence. Our houses are nowhere near each other and are actually on separate streets. I am friends with my next door neighbour, by choice, who is lovely. I have no desire to be friends with this other neighbour or her dog.

Was I mean or unreasonable to not want to be friends with either her or her dog? When I'm in my garden I just want to relax and enjoy my garden and my daughter. Is this reasonable? Also, should random people be expected to befriend dogs, or is the onus on the owners to stop the barking regardless?

Any thoughts welcomed.

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Latecomer131 · 17/07/2022 13:50

*is making (typo)

SugarHorse · 17/07/2022 14:17

OP why on Earth are you asking if you've been unreasonable when you are utterly insistent that you've not been? Utterly pointless (and yes, I think you were rude and unpleasant to your neighbour) 🙄

GoodGrief10 · 17/07/2022 14:32

SugarHorse · 17/07/2022 14:17

OP why on Earth are you asking if you've been unreasonable when you are utterly insistent that you've not been? Utterly pointless (and yes, I think you were rude and unpleasant to your neighbour) 🙄

Exactly. Then the belligerent responses to anyone who disagrees. “All thoughts welcomed” wasn’t true at all

randomdogfriend · 17/07/2022 15:54

Exactly. Then the belligerent responses to anyone who disagrees. “All thoughts welcomed” wasn’t true at all

What you call "belligerent" responses, I call having an opinion on someone's else's opinion. It's allowed. I'm not a passive recipient of views and ideas with no thoughts about them myself. I know that's generally expected of an OP on here, so that the pile on bullying is more effective, but I'm sorry to tell you I don't just lie down and accept others' views if my view is different. I express it. No apologies given for that.

All thoughts are indeed welcomed. So long as my views in response to those thoughts are also just as welcome.

Hth.

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randomdogfriend · 17/07/2022 15:55

Latecomer131 · 17/07/2022 13:48

OP you did nothing wrong and I am impressed that you restrained yourself to "yeah right" answers when the neighbour said "sorry my dog barks at you". I would have been inclined to reply "I don't think you are sorry, because you would have done something about it in the past year if you were" or similar.

Get some large plants so she can't see you, and if there's ever another adult in the garden with you, be sure to loudly comment on how annoying the dog is if it's yapping.

Your other street neighbour making it less comfortable for you to be in your garden, so in your situation, I would want to make it as awkward as possible for her to continue to do sweet FA about her yappy little rat.

Yeah. I was honestly more restrained and polite than she deserved tbh

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DaniRabbity · 17/07/2022 16:06

It isn't "belligerent" to defend yourself against being attacked and ganged up on, it's perfectly reasonable.

If people were politely saying "oh OP I don't agree, I would have said such and such" that would be one thing but some of the comments here have been really spiteful and nasty.

TenRedThings · 17/07/2022 16:12

YABU because you were rude. You may need your neighbour one day. You don't have to be best buddies but a bit of kindness can go a long way.

MattoMatto · 17/07/2022 16:14

Much as the neighbour may wish to be friendly, she’s extremely fortunate that the op hasn’t taken this up with the council or repeatedly complained. Instead, the situation has continued without being addressed and the op has kept herself to herself - neighbour has absolutely no right to expect anyone to be friendly to them after that. She’s lucky to get civil.

randomdogfriend · 17/07/2022 16:23

DaniRabbity · 17/07/2022 16:06

It isn't "belligerent" to defend yourself against being attacked and ganged up on, it's perfectly reasonable.

If people were politely saying "oh OP I don't agree, I would have said such and such" that would be one thing but some of the comments here have been really spiteful and nasty.

Exactly. I'm responding in a tone that is appropriate to the tone of the shit that's been thrown at me.

OP posts:
ApplesandBunions · 17/07/2022 16:35

DaniRabbity · 17/07/2022 13:38

Has anyone explained how you make friends with a 🐕

Take it for a spa day.

Lmao you win the thread

randomdogfriend · 17/07/2022 16:37

You may need your neighbour one day.

I highly doubt that. I have a lovely partner, family, and many friends (including a lovely neighbour on the other side of me). I think I will get through life just fine without befriending her.

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Dobbysgotthesocks · 17/07/2022 17:42

YABU you sound like my neighbour

Moan constantly if my dogs make a sound but allow their kids to scream constantly day and night and do bugger all about it.
Grow up!!!

randomdogfriend · 17/07/2022 17:49

Dobbysgotthesocks · 17/07/2022 17:42

YABU you sound like my neighbour

Moan constantly if my dogs make a sound but allow their kids to scream constantly day and night and do bugger all about it.
Grow up!!!

I mean. I sound nothing like your neighbour, in that case. I don't "moan constantly" (read the OP - I've actually done the opposite), and nor do I allow my child to make noise day and night.

Me thinks you might be projecting just a tad. 😬

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Butchyrestingface · 17/07/2022 17:53

It reads like you're trying to make her sound like a weirdo for having a conversation with you through the fence.

But YOU'RE one who started that by having a confrontation with her and threatening to report her last year - through the fence.

randomdogfriend · 17/07/2022 18:00

Butchyrestingface · 17/07/2022 17:53

It reads like you're trying to make her sound like a weirdo for having a conversation with you through the fence.

But YOU'RE one who started that by having a confrontation with her and threatening to report her last year - through the fence.

No. SHE is the one who "started" the whole thing. The first interaction would have been unnecessary if it wasn't for her stupid untrained yapping dog making my baby cry, and her laziness by not addressing it. I'm not going to stand by while someone's poorly trained pet distresses my newborn baby. And the second interaction was again her doing - she approached me to talk to me.

I'm failing to see how any of this is my doing.

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randomdogfriend · 17/07/2022 18:03

And - I actually asked her in as nice a way as possible (but firmly of course) to please stop her dog from barking like that as it was upsetting my baby. She then responded aggressively and was confrontational. In response to which I understandably thought fuck being nice to you if you're going to speak to me like that, so I then said if this carries on I'll be reporting you.

I started off reasonable and responded to what I was on the receiving end of.

She had the opportunity to say "yeah of course, sorry, I'll stop the dog barking". She didn't. And now I'm expected to be her bestie? Fuck that.

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EmeraldShamrock1 · 17/07/2022 18:05

I wouldn't want to make friends with her dog though otherwise she was friendly and you never know when you might even need her in the future.

Good neighbour relations are important.

Butchyrestingface · 17/07/2022 18:08

No. SHE is the one who "started" the whole thing. The first interaction would have been unnecessary if it wasn't for her stupid untrained yapping dog making my baby cry, and her laziness by not addressing it. I'm not going to stand by while someone's poorly trained pet distresses my newborn baby. And the second interaction was again her doing - she approached me to talk to me.

I don't see that, I'm afraid. Irrespective of what her dog was up to, you started the interactions through the fence - irrespective of how hard it is to see someone through the fence, you obviously thought it was fine for YOU to start up a discussion about her dog through the fence last summer.

You could have gone round to talk to her in person, but you decided to communicate with her through the fence.

And now here you are trying to make her sound strange for choosing to communicate with you through a fence.

Dobbysgotthesocks · 17/07/2022 18:08

Your the one getting confrontational! Your the one threatening to report her dog for ... well being a dog!!!
Your being confrontational in your tone on here! I suggest that perhaps you need to look at your own interactions before you start worrying about and threatening other people!

stuntbubbles · 17/07/2022 18:13

Dobbysgotthesocks · 17/07/2022 18:08

Your the one getting confrontational! Your the one threatening to report her dog for ... well being a dog!!!
Your being confrontational in your tone on here! I suggest that perhaps you need to look at your own interactions before you start worrying about and threatening other people!

But it’s perfectly acceptable to report a constantly yapping dog as a noise nuisance. “In law, a barking dog can be a 'statutory noise nuisance'. Under the Environmental Protection Act 1990 you (as the owner) could be taken to court if you do nothing to stop the nuisance. This could lead to a fine of up to £5,000.” It’s not “threatening to report her dog for being a dog”. It’s “threatening to report her dog for being fucking irritating breaking the law”.

WhackingPhoenix · 17/07/2022 18:15

I’m just returning to this shit-show of a thread to offer another perspective. My dog, like many, is hardwired to bark loudly when the postman approaches.

We saw the postman coming up the drive a week ago just as we were getting out of the car with the dog, who began to bark his head off. The postie asked if he could say hello, he produced a treat from his pocket and made friends with my dog. He’s been every day since and not a single bark. Something to consider.

HikingToHeaven · 17/07/2022 18:16

So much for being so chill and zen about it all OP, you’ve posted more than one hundred times on this thread. 😬

Dobbysgotthesocks · 17/07/2022 18:18

@stuntbubbles a dog intermittently barking at a fence is not a noise nuisance by law. No more than kids playing outside is.

A dog that barks all day every day is a noise nuisance. It sounds like the dog wants to interact with the OP and when frustrated it's MO is to bark. The op hasn't said it is barking all the time just when people walk past or it can see/hear the op in her garden. Whilst it might be frustrating that wouldn't reach the threshold for a noise complaint.

Lalosalamanca · 17/07/2022 18:23

You are soooo unreasonable

She was trying to make things right with you and you were rude and standoffish.

stuntbubbles · 17/07/2022 18:23

@Dobbysgotthesocks From the first para of the OP:

Neighbour has a yappy dog that never stops, it comes right up to the fence in our back garden and barks incessantly whenever any of us go into the garden. It also barks at passers by on the street - it literally follows them along the fence yapping incessantly as they walk down the
Depending on how many passers-by that could well count as barking non-stop. It’s certainly more than “frustrating” and even if a council eventually disagreed I think most people would report under these circumstances. She certainly wasn’t reporting it “just for being a dog.”