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Don’t want to “make friends” with neighbour’s dog…

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 18:58

NC for this. Sorry it's long!

Small backstory: Neighbour has a yappy dog that never stops, it comes right up to the fence in our back garden and barks incessantly whenever any of us go into the garden. It also barks at passers by on the street - it literally follows them along the fence yapping incessantly as they walk down the street. Neighbour does very little to address this - the occasion half hearted “stop that (name of dog)”, but it doesn’t listen to her and she doesn’t physically remove it. Last year I had a word with the neighbour about this through the fence - the barking was so bad it was upsetting my then newborn aged baby as we sat in the garden. She argued back with me and was generally unpleasant, so I threatened to report her if it didn’t stop. This was around 12 months ago and I’ve had no interactions with her since. The dog has done its usual nuisance barking at the fence when we’ve been out in the garden but I’ve largely tried to ignore it, and now that DD is a bit older she isn’t as startled or bothered by it. So we just largely ignore now.

Today I took DD (now 15 months) out in the garden to play. I sat on the grass relaxing whilst she played. Yappy dog approached the fence as per usual, but we were far enough away from the fence that I could mostly tune it out and just focus on playing with DD. DD didn’t seem remotely bothered by it either. I was then aware of neighbour approaching the fence and heard her say “oh are you saying hello (dogs name)?” Dog continued to incessantly yap. I ignored and continued to play with DD.

Next thing I heard “excuse me can I talk to you?“ through the fence. The fence is too high to see over it, and you can just about make out a person through the slats but I couldn’t really see her. I said “sorry, do you mean me?” (Not really able to see anyone at this point, just a shadow through the fence, and I was also sat a good few feet away from the fence. She said “yes”. I said “erm, yeah I suppose, I can’t see you but I can hear you”. She said “I’m sorry my dog barks and annoys you”. I replied “that’s ok” and then continued to engage with DD who was toddling around (so my attention was more focussed on her and I honestly didn’t want to have any interaction with anyone else at that point). I was hoping this would end the conversation. She continued: “if you made friends with her, she wouldn’t bark at you”. I just again decided to give a one word answer in the hope she would disengage from me as all I wanted to do was relax and play with DD. I replied again “right, ok”. She then continued… “if you made friends with her she wouldn’t bark and then you wouldn’t complain, would you”.

At this point I got irritated as she was pushing an unwanted conversation and also implying I had “complained” when I’d had one interaction with her about this a whole year ago where I’d threatened to complain but not followed that through, and also not mentioned the dog to her since.

I replied: “I just want to enjoy my garden with my DD. I don’t want to have to make friends with a dog through the fence. If your dog is barking constantly it’s because you aren’t training her properly, and that’s up to you to address. It’s not down to other people to make friends with your dog”.

It was more than I wanted to invest in the interaction but to be honest she had annoyed me by that point.

She then said, randomly, “how old is your daughter now?” I replied with her age. In between I was playing with DD and interacting with her, hoping neighbour would get the hint that I didn’t want to engage with her. She then said “what’s her name?” I replied with her name. Just one word answers to try to end it. She then said “ok. I just thought we could be friends that’s all”. Then she (presumably) walked off back to her house (like I say, limited visibility through the fence).

The whole interaction was just so random. Firstly I hadn’t commented on her dog, I was minding my own business and playing with DD. Also a whole year has passed since our last interaction so why approach me now? It would have made sense if I’d complained there and then about the dog, but I’d said nothing. I was just ignoring it as I usually do.

If it’s relevant this isn’t a next door neighbour as such. It’s hard to explain but we are a detached house and her back garden and mine back share a boundary fence. Our houses are nowhere near each other and are actually on separate streets. I am friends with my next door neighbour, by choice, who is lovely. I have no desire to be friends with this other neighbour or her dog.

Was I mean or unreasonable to not want to be friends with either her or her dog? When I'm in my garden I just want to relax and enjoy my garden and my daughter. Is this reasonable? Also, should random people be expected to befriend dogs, or is the onus on the owners to stop the barking regardless?

Any thoughts welcomed.

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 21:40

Mousemat25 · 16/07/2022 21:33

I don’t think you are rude OP. Lady next door gets a dog. Doesn’t train dog. As a result dog barks all the fucking time. That’s 100% rude. And it has gone on for ages. Neighbour sees no issue in letting her dog bark for months on end. 200% rude. It’s not you that’s rude, it’s her.

But according to MN as women we are supposed to engage with anyone, despite their rudeness. We are supposed to be pleasant and smile and give more than one word answers. We are supposed to befriend their pets.

Meanwhile, back in the real world.....

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hangrylady · 16/07/2022 21:41

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 21:31

@hangrylady

I was unsure. But not one person on here has been able to convince me in any meaningful way that I did not do the right the thing. I've been swayed the other way, in fact. Because all I've had is "rude", "unkind" (alongside personal attacks about my character and parenting), without anyone actually qualifying exactly what was rude or unkind.

One person helpfully said I should have maybe said "no I don't want to talk" from the off. That was helpful and I agree - I was trying to be polite by saying yes, but in actual fact I didn't want to talk to her at all.

But other than that suggestion, nothing else on here has convinced me that I was wrong.

You're clearly not a people pleaser and I admire that, but ultimately your neighbour and the dog aren't going anywhere so perhaps 'making friends' with the dog and being on civil terms with its owner is the best way forward. That's what I'd try to do.

Loveisnotloving · 16/07/2022 21:42

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 21:35

@Loveisnotloving

Incorrect. I didn't report anyone who "challenged" me. If I did, MNHQ wouldn't have deleted most of them as they weren't breaking the rules.

I reported personal attacks on my character and/or parenting, name calling, and general nasty unpleasantness. All of which were deleted as MNHQ must have agreed with me that they broke the rules.

Being rude is commenting on your character because it has to be in your character to be rude in the first place.

You will not see anyone else’s view if it is any slight on you whatsoever and therein lies another aspect of your character you need to work on.

The really funny thing about it all now is that you have lost any hope of resolve with that neighbour so suffer on you must. All down to your rudeness and dismissiveness.

Well played!

Now press report again!!

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 21:43

MoistHolibobs · 16/07/2022 21:39

Why did you ask in your OP if you had been mean?

Because I was genuinely unsure at that point if I had.

But like I said.. No one on here has been able to convince me that I was. There's been no sensible explanation as far as I can see, as to specifically what constitutes rudeness in anything I said or did. So I've been swayed the other way by the other posters.

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ChiefWiggumsBoy · 16/07/2022 21:43

Loveisnotloving · 16/07/2022 21:19

just want to enjoy my garden with my DD. I don’t want to have to make friends with a dog through the fence. If your dog is barking constantly it’s because you aren’t training her properly, and that’s up to you to address. It’s not down to other people to make friends with your dog

em there ya go…..rude.

Disagree.

Direct, sure. Rude, no. Honestly the dithery, pathetic people that regularly come on here simpering that they couldn't possibly just have a conversation with someone - and when someone does, they get accused of rudeness!

^^that is probably rude to all the dithery pathetic people. Soz.

ginghamstarfish · 16/07/2022 21:43

You are not wrong OP, she sounds like an inconsiderate arsehole who can't be bothered to train her noisy dog, like so many other dog owners. I wouldn't want to have anything to do with her.

turquoise1988 · 16/07/2022 21:44

I generally do think I would have responded similarly to you, OP.

The only thing I would say, as some food for thought, is to consider the future as well.

I don't pretend to know anything about your life choices/future, but you could, for arguments sake, be in a situation where you have older child/more than one older child out enjoying their garden in the future.

This could lead to a number of behaviours that would potentially be deemed annoying or frustrating to neighbours. Not limited to, regular high-pitched screaming or screeching, meltdowns about being asked to come inside, balls flying over the fence on multiple occasions, etc. I assume that in such situations, you would expect a degree of empathy? Kids are kids and all that.

As I said before, her dog's behaviour is unacceptable and entirely her responsibility. That said, just be prepared that the shoe could be on the other foot one day.

Best to say civil, at least.

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 21:44

@Loveisnotloving

I don't need to report your latest waffle. It's not offensive or nasty, unlike your other post. So you're all good. 👍🏻

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 21:44

@ChiefWiggumsBoy

You also sound like my kind of person. 😄

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MoistHolibobs · 16/07/2022 21:45

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 21:43

Because I was genuinely unsure at that point if I had.

But like I said.. No one on here has been able to convince me that I was. There's been no sensible explanation as far as I can see, as to specifically what constitutes rudeness in anything I said or did. So I've been swayed the other way by the other posters.

What bit were you unsure about? Which part did you think might have been mean though?

turquoise1988 · 16/07/2022 21:46

stay civil* Wink

WhackingPhoenix · 16/07/2022 21:47

What’s this drivel about ‘as women we are expected to be polite and kind?’ Confused

I’d tell a man he was rude, too.

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 21:48

@MoistHolibobs

I didn't have any thoughts in terms of anything specific. In all honesty I think it was just her last line ... "I thought we could be friends", then she walked off. I probably just felt a bit of guilt but then I also thought why am I feeling guilty? My feelings matter too, right? I don't need to just befriend anyone who wants to, surely? It was the conflict between the guilt at her last line, and me feeling that it matters how I feel, etc, that made me post.

If that makes any sense at all.

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 21:49

@turquoise1988

That's a thoughtful and balanced post, thank you.

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Loveisnotloving · 16/07/2022 21:50

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 21:44

@Loveisnotloving

I don't need to report your latest waffle. It's not offensive or nasty, unlike your other post. So you're all good. 👍🏻

Ha ha you are gas.

Little apples will grow again …. Neighbours talk.

Like I said Best of Luck and noise cancelling headphones are on offer now if you are on Amazon prime!

Enjoy the summer 🐾

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 21:52

I am gas? Dear me this place is bizarre 😂

Yes, neighbours DO talk. Around here it's mostly about the constant fucking yapping! I'm glad someone else has reported it tbh, saved me a job. 👍🏻😃

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8misskitty8 · 16/07/2022 21:54

Make friends with the dog and he won’t bark is up there with the dog owners who tell you ‘he’s just being friendly,’ or ‘he won’t touch you’. While their dog is running towards you barking or jumping on you.

Not everyone wants to ‘be friends’ or fuss over peoples dogs.

OP perhaps grow something at the end of your garden in front of the fence to block
out the gaps.

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 21:54

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 16/07/2022 21:40

Sorry - what exactly has OP done that is mean or unkind?

The neighbour wasn't extending an olive branch - she was essentially saying if you don't like my dog barking then YOU need to sort it by 'making friends'. She didn't apologise, she didn't offer any sort of resolution.

@randomdogfriend I would be the same. I don't like dogs, have no interest in them whatsoever - I have no idea what 'making friends' with a dog would even entail, and quite frankly, I'm not prepared to try. And I don't blame you for not wanting to either.

You sound very unkind here we go again - I always picture some wide-eyed waif wringing her hands at the positively 'horrid' person this is aimed at. Grow up and stop being such a wet lettuce! (Not you OP to be clear)

Still waiting on a sensible answer to the first question....... I think we'll be waiting a while.

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Blowthemandown · 16/07/2022 21:55

I know she was in the wrong but she probably spent ages plucking up courage to say she was sorry the dog barks@randomdogfriend and I know it is a pain but it is just possible that the dog might lose interest once you’re introduced. Then you don’t need to interact with either of them. So you’ve nothing to lose by trying, if there is any way back from the latest encounter.

Loveisnotloving · 16/07/2022 21:57

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 21:52

I am gas? Dear me this place is bizarre 😂

Yes, neighbours DO talk. Around here it's mostly about the constant fucking yapping! I'm glad someone else has reported it tbh, saved me a job. 👍🏻😃

You are too busy here reporting posts! 😂

QueenCamilla · 16/07/2022 21:57

... And I thought I could be unnecessarily abrasive... I respond pleasantly to attempted kindness though.

Mind you, I'd have antagonised the dog for the whole 12 months out of spite!

Blowthemandown · 16/07/2022 21:59

And @randomdogfriend to be clear she was definitely wrong before and this latest thing was a bit random although I think probably well intentioned. I’m purely thinking of getting the dog to stop barking so you can enjoy peace and quiet!

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 22:00

@QueenCamilla

Do you respond pleasantly to attempted kindness even if you are trying to enjoy your own headspace and your daughter in your garden, whilst simultaneously trying to drown out constant yapping, by a person who 12 months earlier was utterly vile to you?

You're a better person than I, then.

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 22:00

@Blowthemandown

Yep. Totally random and left field. That's what threw me!

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Bookshadow · 16/07/2022 22:04

Oh, for goodness sake. You don't have to make friends with her dog. You really don't. But it would take 5 minutes of your time and the dog would no longer be worried when you came out into your garden and would stop barking at you and everyone would be happier. So do it and have a nice time in your garden or don't and continue to complain about the dog for the next 10 years. It is your choice and you have every right to do nothing and moan your head off and be perfectly without fault but what is the point? Go round, say hi to the dog, stroke it, accept the neighbour's olive branch, have a good life or don't. Whatever you think is best