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To ask if the red weather warning will now make you take climate change seriously?

280 replies

YetiTeri · 16/07/2022 14:34

Now you know what impact this heat will have (schools closing, travel chaos, threat to life) will it make you take climate change more seriously?

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Hawkins001 · 16/07/2022 17:25

Although if the ice caps do melt, what archaeology relics are in Antarctica ?

Areil · 16/07/2022 17:28

No because there’s not a red warning in the part of the uk where I am. It’s currently mid-teens and raining. The highest it will be Monday / Tuesday is low 20s (21 and 22).

I already am vegetarian. I’m dairy intolerant so I don’t use any kind of milk based products.

I don’t buy a lot of clothes and those I do I repair.

I drive a car I’ve had for years and I am not renewing it until it can’t be repaired economically.

I don’t fly on holiday. I do fly for work occasionally but I try to do most meetings via zoom.

I have children but they’re adults and contributing now and I used as much reusable stuff as I could when they were small.

But as a result of the red warning? No I won’t be doing anything. There’s no red warning here.

Liebig · 16/07/2022 17:29

United States example. There are others, but since they're the superpower, why not.

To ask if the red weather warning will now make you take climate change seriously?
QuestionableMouse · 16/07/2022 17:30

Daftasabroom · 16/07/2022 16:32

@Likeli
@QuestionableMouse
For better or worse we live in a consumer society, don't think your purchasing decisions don't matter.

I don't buy much, apart from consumables like food, toiletries and such. Can't remember the last time I bought new clothes or shoes.

WotsitsQuavers · 16/07/2022 17:37

Yes.
Extreme weather events are here to stay. Crop failure is already happening in other countries.

UK will face floods, heatwaves (possibly wildfires too).10 years from now 40 Deg C will not be uncommon. Migration from climate change is happening and will worsen.

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 16/07/2022 17:39

I’m not saying things shouldn’t be put in place. I recycle, I haven’t flown on holiday for 10+ years, my kids clothes have been mostly hand me downs and I get all our milk from our local farm but living rurally and working in community nursing covering that wide rural area I rely on my car and that is not going to change. My worry is those who make these decisions will just tar everyone with the same brush instead of looking at different areas

NoGonnaLie · 16/07/2022 17:42

lancsgirl85 · 16/07/2022 15:12

Genuine question because I'm clearly not clued up on this. What's wrong with Shein?

www.euronews.com/green/amp/2021/09/08/how-are-shein-hauls-making-our-planet-unlivable

Shein creates vast amounts of CO2 emissions producing their clothes. Those clothes are worn on just a few occasions and then new clothes are bought.

Its the scale on which this is happening that’s the problem.

Accelerated consumption just means more CO2 when we should be looking to decrease consumption and decrease CO2 emissions.

A “Shein Haul” is definitely not an environmentally sound choice.

Unless you plan to wear and rewear those clothes many times over.

But their business model and selling point is not set up like that. Because in the end they want to make money.

but it comes at a cost. More planetary heating when really, do you need that extra jumper that’s got cool writing on it in this season’s trend? Only to bin it for another cheap jumper for £10 for autumn. It’s excessive consumption.

Once I understood the impact of fast fashion on the environment my heart went out of it and fashion in general.

I still like nice clothes but I know every time I buy something new, there’s a cost attached beyond the price of the clothing itself.

it’s a bit like flying…

at some point it’s all going to have to stop. And if we don’t then Mother Nature and the natural laws of the planet will do it for us.

Discovereads · 16/07/2022 17:43

Liebig · 16/07/2022 17:17

I literally don't know where to begin here. There's just so much wrong.

The UK and EU use MASSES of fossil fuels. Fritz Haber is literally the only reason we even have the global populations we have now. Without mechanisation, your British and European farms become fallow and useless. Mass industrial agriculture needs fossil fuel inputs for both fertiliser and pesticide production, along with the mechanised equipment used to sow, tend and reap the land. Nothing fossil fuel based is "sustainable", by definition.

On water, what the hell is a "hydrogen engine"? You mean a fuel cell? Guess where it gets the hydrogen and oxygen from, matey.

As for desal, ask farmers in arid countries why they haven't tried that. You need to seriously look at the energy costs for desal. Then you'll see why Lake Mead and the Ogallala aquifer are at the levels they're at. Economically, desalination is ridiculously expensive for meagre amounts of water.

The people that are living on the coasts, where the majority of humanity is, are also the ones going to lose their land in the future. And that's also why nuclear plants are an issue too. Look at EdF in France and Germany's nuke plants to see how climate change is making their nuclear fleet have all sorts of issues.

I'm sorry to say, if you looked at yields of metal ores, topsoil depletion, aquifer depletion and, the king of them all, exergy resources, you'll find we're well past the best resources and are on the downward slope.

God you are outdated.
Mechanisation isn’t bad 🫤. It’s good and all that farm equipment comes in electric options. There are also plenty of fossil fuel free fertilisers and pesticides. Not to mention that sustainable farming practices include crop rotation where fields are grazed on as part of said rotation and the cow/sheep poo adds the nitrogen back in without recourse to nitrogen fertiliser made from natural gas.

Hydrogen & oxygen come from our atmosphere and we are not going to run out of it for hundreds of millions of years- far longer than any species has ever survived so don’t think we need to worry about that.

On desal, I don’t need to ask anyone. I’ve installed desal on remote islands very cheaply with RO plants powered by wind turbines supporting populations in thousands. It’s easy to scale up or down and very fast to build and cheap to maintain.

I’m not worried about nuclear plants. We will decommission and demolish them as we move away from rising sea levels. We have enough other green energy coming on line to adjust.

Yes we are running out of some metals like cobalt for example, but so what? We can always reengineer things if we have to. We’ve done so before for different reasons. And I completely disagree with you on energy resources…we have tons of energy. The sun is a vast barely tapped resource.

NoGonnaLie · 16/07/2022 17:46

And we really will all be cooked. It’s full on devastation.

King, the former chief scientific advisor to the government says we are doomed.

mobile.twitter.com/RogerHallamCS21/status/1546963872694894594

The former Chief Scientific Advisor to the British Government,

@SirDavidKing
, predicts billions of deaths. Ice melt is locked in, methane release from the permafrost is inevitable and this takes us to 20C ...

yep, 20 degrees. It’s over folks.

mydogisthebest · 16/07/2022 17:48

Discovereads · 16/07/2022 16:54

I don’t agree that children are “bad for the planet” any more than an extra kitten, puppy or baby elephant is “bad for the planet”. We are all part of the planet and nature and humans have as much a right to exist as any other animal or plant.

I also think each person gets their own carbon footprint. You don’t carry the carbon footprints of your descendants within your own. The childless people who say you do, that all the damage they do doesn’t add up to someone who has had a child are making pathetic whataboutery excuses for their lavish damaging lifestyles. Each human has their own footprint.

I am not making pathetic excuses for a lavish lifestyle. Me and DH have been vegetarian for over 30 years, we buy most things secondhand, hardly ever buy clothes and when we do it is usually from charity shops, have only flown 6 times in 40 years and they have all been to Europe not long haul. We recycle, monitor our water and electric use and try to use our car as little as possible. If we actually had a decent bus service instead of only 3 a day we would use the car even less.

Having children is incredibly selfish and definitely is bad for the planet.

It is almost certainly too late to change the outcome for the future and it certainly will not be pleasant. I really pity children born today

ImJustNotMeAnymore · 16/07/2022 17:55

Climate change is a man made construct. Joe Public is being sucked in to spending money and paying extra for something that has been fabricated.
Look where the money goes for all of these so called green solutions and where it is coming from. How much have your energy bills reduced due to the research and development and implementation of the results? And compare this with the amount of extra payments going to the bosses and shareholders of the involved companies.
Look at the natural world and how her elements are being dragged out of her to create the necessary components for so called green energy?
Open your eyes and look behind the peddled control mechanisms.

WatchoRulo · 16/07/2022 17:57

Why are hot weather events climate change and cold weather events “weather not climate”?

Liebig · 16/07/2022 18:09

@Discovereads God you are outdated.
Mechanisation isn’t bad 🫤. It’s good and all that farm equipment comes in electric options. There are also plenty of fossil fuel free fertilisers and pesticides. Not to mention that sustainable farming practices include crop rotation where fields are grazed on as part of said rotation and the cow/sheep poo adds the nitrogen back in without recourse to nitrogen fertiliser made from natural gas.

The electric options don’t work. You cannot have battery operated combines or large tractors, they’re too heavy and the infrastructure to power them isn’t remotely there (farms have a tendency of not being anywhere near major urban areas).

The latest John Deere prototypes are tiny for the BEVs, with the ones that could do what actual tractors do requiring power cables to be suspended and towed along with the unit. Also, they costs far more than diesel or even the diesel-electric hybrid systems.

The current industrialised agricultural system relies on fossil inputs. There’s no way around that. Want to see a country that went full organic? It’s been in the news lately. They lost 50% of yield as soon as the mandate to go green came into being in 2021. Their president fled the nation this week.

Hydrogen & oxygen come from our atmosphere and we are not going to run out of it for hundreds of millions of years- far longer than any species has ever survived so don’t think we need to worry about that.

There is NO free hydrogen in the atmosphere. Jesus. This is secondary school knowledge.


Do you even know where we get hydrogen from currently? It's natural gas. The cylinders I order for my lab are, along with helium, rocketing in price because we got a huge amount from Russian natural gas.

On desal, I don’t need to ask anyone. I’ve installed desal on remote islands very cheaply with RO plants powered by wind turbines supporting populations in thousands. It’s easy to scale up or down and very fast to build and cheap to maintain.

I actually doubt that, given the typical per litre/kWh rate for desal plants, they are not economically viable in the least and have a host of other problems such as the salt production and dead zones in littoral waters.


I’m not worried about nuclear plants. We will decommission and demolish them as we move away from rising sea levels. We have enough other green energy coming on line to adjust.

You should be, since it takes a LOT of energy and resources to decommission a nuclear plant, not to mention years. And that’s assuming they don’t run into any Chernobyl, Windscale, or Fukushima related issues.

Modular small nuclear reactors get around this somewhat, but we have no chance to scale these up in anything like the time we have, and they rely on uranium which is, again, finite.


Yes we are running out of some metals like cobalt for example, but so what? We can always reengineer things if we have to. We’ve done so before for different reasons. And I completely disagree with you on energy resources…we have tons of energy. The sun is a vast barely tapped resource.

Checked the ore quality of copper and rare earths lately? How about the price of lithium? Declining ore qualities means more dirt has to be dug to find the same amount of what we normally could get from surface seams a century ago. This is illustrated by just how massive open pit mining has become and how amazingly bad for the environment it all is. The boom in EVs has produced some crazy price increases too, to the point that they are raising prices to offset the losses in lithium costs and neodymium and cobalt, or even just copper.

On top of that, the wind turbine sector is in big trouble as consequence.

Also, I should correct myself. It’s not an energy problem, as you pointed out. It’s an exergy problem we have. We now have much, much higher energy costs of energy doing anything economically valuable. That is why the cost of everything goes up, because energy is the master resource.

If the cost of energy rises inexorably, that means the economy gears itself to paying more and more of its discretionary income from said energy to produce more of it. This is why there is an exergy crisis, because, yes, there is oodles of energy about, but it matters not. It's like telling a sailor in a life raft not to worry about dehydration, he's literally floating on all the water he'll ever need!

To ask if the red weather warning will now make you take climate change seriously?
To ask if the red weather warning will now make you take climate change seriously?
To ask if the red weather warning will now make you take climate change seriously?
rumred · 16/07/2022 18:11

Until humans stop valuing things above other sentient beings, we are fucked. No sign of that happening so yep we're fucked and we'll take loads of species and habitats with us

Liebig · 16/07/2022 18:15

ImJustNotMeAnymore · 16/07/2022 17:55

Climate change is a man made construct. Joe Public is being sucked in to spending money and paying extra for something that has been fabricated.
Look where the money goes for all of these so called green solutions and where it is coming from. How much have your energy bills reduced due to the research and development and implementation of the results? And compare this with the amount of extra payments going to the bosses and shareholders of the involved companies.
Look at the natural world and how her elements are being dragged out of her to create the necessary components for so called green energy?
Open your eyes and look behind the peddled control mechanisms.

Man, you are so close to the truth, but then you go and totally fuck it up by making out like climate change is some conspiracy that was made of whole cloth. Crack open a science book or talk to an actual scientist.

This may blow your mind, but you're dead right about the funnelling of money to green concerns, but you're also dead wrong in climate change not being real.

Imagine a house on fire, and someone is able to sell you fire insurance on it. That's what we have, a system of disaster capitalism that is making bank on the planet's demise. It's an amazing grift.

Bubblebubblebah · 16/07/2022 18:38

Re fast fashion. It's not just shein and Primark... Ahopping ethically IS for people with money even if one counts a charity shopping option.

CMZ2018 · 16/07/2022 18:39

No. All bullshit virtue signalling

Hawkins001 · 16/07/2022 18:52

Liebig · 16/07/2022 18:15

Man, you are so close to the truth, but then you go and totally fuck it up by making out like climate change is some conspiracy that was made of whole cloth. Crack open a science book or talk to an actual scientist.

This may blow your mind, but you're dead right about the funnelling of money to green concerns, but you're also dead wrong in climate change not being real.

Imagine a house on fire, and someone is able to sell you fire insurance on it. That's what we have, a system of disaster capitalism that is making bank on the planet's demise. It's an amazing grift.

Basically a mortgage backed securities type situation ?

DoubleShotEspresso · 16/07/2022 19:03

CMZ2018 · 16/07/2022 18:39

No. All bullshit virtue signalling

Actually there's so much on this thread that sways me towards this view!

OhTheLeetleHandsAndFeetle · 16/07/2022 19:13

Most people I mix with already take it seriously. We’re just normal folk, none of us glues ourselves to trains or lies down hysterically in the middle of a motorway or anything, but we take it seriously. I think vast numbers of people do, but don’t make a massive song and dance about it and just quietly go on trying to make their live as climate-friendly as possible, whilst a handful of people hurl themselves about, screaming, as if they are the only ones who are aware of what is happening. Being screechy and panicky about it and glueing yourself to artwork isn’t actually doing anything useful. There are people engaged in actual, serious work to try to mitigate climate change. They are the people I want to hear from, not people who run about screaming, ‘EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY!’ as if they’ve just discovered how to make fire or something.

mydogisthebest · 16/07/2022 19:14

CMZ2018 · 16/07/2022 18:39

No. All bullshit virtue signalling

Well if you have children make sure they know that is what you think. Maybe it will help them when there are food shortages, water shortages, rising sea levels, extreme heat for longer and longer lengths of time etc etc

DoubleShotEspresso · 16/07/2022 19:20

OhTheLeetleHandsAndFeetle · 16/07/2022 19:13

Most people I mix with already take it seriously. We’re just normal folk, none of us glues ourselves to trains or lies down hysterically in the middle of a motorway or anything, but we take it seriously. I think vast numbers of people do, but don’t make a massive song and dance about it and just quietly go on trying to make their live as climate-friendly as possible, whilst a handful of people hurl themselves about, screaming, as if they are the only ones who are aware of what is happening. Being screechy and panicky about it and glueing yourself to artwork isn’t actually doing anything useful. There are people engaged in actual, serious work to try to mitigate climate change. They are the people I want to hear from, not people who run about screaming, ‘EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY!’ as if they’ve just discovered how to make fire or something.

👏🏼

Liebig · 16/07/2022 19:34

Hawkins001 · 16/07/2022 18:52

Basically a mortgage backed securities type situation ?

Kinda. There are legit technologies to come from the Green New Deal/ESG movement. But there is also a lot of financialisation that offers nothing constructive, such as carbon offsets and other accounting shenanigans to basically give the impression of an ethical company. An airline that buys credits to plant trees to offset CO2 per flight, for example.

People are usually unaware of how far away we are from anything remotely sustainable and good for the environment. Electric cars, for example, requires a massive ramp up in mining, and there is simply no such thing as green or non-exploitative mining.

Liebig · 16/07/2022 19:36

OhTheLeetleHandsAndFeetle · 16/07/2022 19:13

Most people I mix with already take it seriously. We’re just normal folk, none of us glues ourselves to trains or lies down hysterically in the middle of a motorway or anything, but we take it seriously. I think vast numbers of people do, but don’t make a massive song and dance about it and just quietly go on trying to make their live as climate-friendly as possible, whilst a handful of people hurl themselves about, screaming, as if they are the only ones who are aware of what is happening. Being screechy and panicky about it and glueing yourself to artwork isn’t actually doing anything useful. There are people engaged in actual, serious work to try to mitigate climate change. They are the people I want to hear from, not people who run about screaming, ‘EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY!’ as if they’ve just discovered how to make fire or something.

The Just Stop Oil crowd were protesting at the same time the go slow on motorways was happening to protest fuel prices.

The former have no idea that going cold turkey on fossil fuels globally would literally cause the death of billions within months. The people protesting fuel costs might also have something to say about it, since they at least understand you need cheap oil and gas and even coal to sustain our lifestyles.

Terrible PR departments they have.

HuffleWoof · 16/07/2022 19:50

The lasting memory I have of just stop oil is the driver of the lorry laughing at them on tv because his tanker had cooking oil in it

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