To ask if the red weather warning will now make you take climate change seriously?

[YetiTeri]

Now you know what impact this heat will have (schools closing, travel chaos, threat to life) will it make you take climate change more seriously?

Sure we have. By outsourcing it to countries we don't care about, lol.

Do you seriously think we somehow decoupled from energy and resource use in real terms as opposed to relative? The data says otherwise.

Ask yourself this: do you think you could decouple from food intake to an arbitrarily high degree and still function?

Technology is, hilariously, precisely why we are in this situation. Y'all thinking technology will make more resources and energy. I have some bad news for you...

@User6286509 utter tosh! There is no need to have no children if those children can reach net zero as they grow up. The only reason to think having no children is good for the environment is if you continue as business as usual, ironically if you continue business as usual you are part of the problem, children or not.

I don’t agree that children are “bad for the planet” any more than an extra kitten, puppy or baby elephant is “bad for the planet”. We are all part of the planet and nature and humans have as much a right to exist as any other animal or plant.

I also think each person gets their own carbon footprint. You don’t carry the carbon footprints of your descendants within your own. The childless people who say you do, that all the damage they do doesn’t add up to someone who has had a child are making pathetic whataboutery excuses for their lavish damaging lifestyles. Each human has their own footprint.

Your kids use more than just CO2 producing energy sources.

Let me know if we can get to net zero topsoil and water. That should be fun.

Michael Schellenberger is in fact a leading investigative journalist, has been named Time magazine's 'hero of the environment', he's a best selling author whose books have been translated into 15 languages, he testifies and advises gov's around the world including in the US, UK, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, the Philippines, Australia, Netherlands, Belgium, and Germany on environmental matter. And his writings and TED talks, have been viewed over five million times.

Whereas you are a crass loudmouth that issues ill-considered, tirades against people that disturbs the narrative line you're attracted to.

I think I'll take his word over yours if you don't mind?

You’re not making sense. Nothing I said indicates a decoupling from energy and resource use in real terms or relative terms. The data is the data and it doesn’t say “otherwise” from what I posted.

Yes dirty old technology is part of the reason we are in the current situation, but it is the clean new technology that is the greatest source of hope for the future.
And I’ve already stated how technology is making more resources and energy. It’s not science fiction. These are real technologies we are using today.

@YetiTeri

• Vote for politicians that have climate change at the core of their policies.

Buy seasonal and local.

Use trains rather than plane/cars

Stop buying disposable fashion (Shein...)

Switch to a plant based diet even in part.

Don't post vacuous posts saying it was hot when you were young when the point is these days are no longer anomalies.

That stuff. But mostly the first.*

Whilst we might well be facing emergency stages with the environment as a whole , I really think the issue here is that voting on a single issue is not a sensible option given the range of challenges we currently face.
Policies from the Green Party etc don't sufficiently extend to these challenges any way enough to win enough voting power.
Whilst many of your points might be great I think they overlook what many here are most concerned about regarding our potential costs of living and just general inability to "afford life" right now.
People relying on food banks won't be adopting vegan diets (I don't really agree with you on this one but that's another thread). And some folks are just eat meat out of preference/need, neither are "wrong".
Train journeys versus planes are not feasible for many who are time poor and not blessed with affordable/reliable options.
Buying "seasonal and local" may feel virtuous but in real terms in no way guarantees better impacts upon the environment... it's also ridiculously often more expensive, especially for food.
"Disposable fashion"/(SHEIN is really no better or worse than many UK retailers when you research their ethics. ) None of these are especially palatable but again sustainable fashion comes at a huge cost.
We need to find and develop ways of making our daily living, consumables and habits far more considered of course. The fact is these retailers exist because they meet a growing demand-until affordable alternatives exist it's a tall order for the majority to make ethical choices.
Dictating to people on threads like this and ridiculing the comments others have taken the time to post is, if you don't mind me saying unhelpful to your cause. It's this type of tone which puts people ill at ease with the very point you're trying to get them on board with. If somebody here remembers living through hot summers why on earth is it vacuous to say so? Any positive discussion and change ones from drawing comparisons, identifying what shared factors exist and looking at different impacts. The important thing is that somebody is prepared to gauge in thought here, belittling them is rude and unhelpful. Sadly this is the case on so many forums where some clearly show such blinkered and closed thinking.

I'm not dictating to anyone and it's not 'my' cause. I actually didn't say vegan, but meat is expensive so if it's about affordability then cutting down on meat is win/win. Tbf I should have just stuck at the first point though.

And I'm sorry it really really is vacuous to question the science because you remember warm summers as a kid. It's fake news / Trumpism. Record temperatures means we have not had this temperature before, and then it gets broken again really soon (the last record was 2019).

Someone up thread questioned 'global warming' because there are extreme cold seasons. It's been climate change not global warming for 20 odd years as the science shows extreme weather becoming more common due to the overall increase in temperature.

You are spectacularly missing the point here.
Until any political party develops real, workable policy to cater for the very real priorities many are facing today , your point is fruitless. They're simply unelectable.

Suggesting people struggling with the cost of living have a "win/win" by not eating meat is so incredibly tone deaf and offensive -it's clear you are deeply removed from most people's reality here.

Your original post invited discussion and yet anybody who questions your theories you're now comparing to Trump 🙃 Just wow.

You've also once again overlooked the fact that the real emergency for many right now is affordability in life- something none of your list consider. It's idealistic in the extreme to expect people to adopt these just from your supercilious tone, but it's finance and lack of alternatives that force so many into decisions you find so wrong.

Perhaps you should lobby your local MP to put forward workable suggestions, encourage all parties to present policies on all areas of life?
The sad truth is politicians and the upper establishment are not prepared to invest- until then the assumption that the little people just turn vegan and the world will instantly be a better place is woefully naive.

Holy appeal to authority, Batman.

@sst1234 science needs government and industrial support, that support requires regulation. Brexit and the UK withdrawal from HE is a disaster for CR&D in the UK.

We (U.K. and EU) have sustainable farming practices in use for around forty years now. In case you don’t know, sustainable means growing crops and livestock in a way that preserves top soil and biodiversity for future generations. It’s been scientifically studied and compiled from the thousands of years of h
knowledge of farming.

On water, already stated how a basic hydrogen engine produces fresh water as a by product from hydrogen and oxygen (which we will never run out of). We also have numerous cheap ways to desalinate sea water…very hard to run out of that as the planet is 70% seawater. We have plenty of water, unfortunately climate change means that humans are living in places where water is harder to come by and so will have to migrate.

The challenge with climate change isn’t humanity running out of basic resources, it’s the mass migrations it will cause and how to manage that.

i find it hard to take it seriously when they continue to build 1000s of houses on green space which we surely need to help with the climate? It seems those in charge are only interested when it’s forcing those of us beneath them to change our way of life when they do nothing to change their own, the majority of us are just trying to live our lives.

@Likeli I agree, when will the elite give up their mega yachts & private jets? No good supporting climate emergency when you take a private jet or mega yacht to a conference that could be conducted online. Wake up people, can’t you see it?

I'm concerned about loss of habitat and species being wiped out. Climate change is happening, as it always has, but this time it is having an impact on our species and those who evolved in the same era shifting us out of our comfortable survive zone. The earth will carry on and new creatures will evolve but it will take a long time to get back to the diversity that was here prior to humans and their industrial age.

I do what I can. I have made my garden wildlife friendly and planted trees but my finances, as with so many others, doesnt make some changes so easy. Public transport is poor and expensive, I buy cheaper foods than I'd like for example.

Making everything expensive will only have the impact of more people suffering without the changes in place to make things genuinely sustainable in the long term.

They could start by making out of city transport far more affordable and outside of core hours- my teen wants to work, buses finish at 5pm. Jobs don't which therefore means she will want a car as soon as she can drive so she can work.

@alphapie Whataboutery doesn't help. That's exactly what politicians and billionaires want us to do - argue amongst ourselves so they can continue unimpeded.

How is it making "more resources and energy" then?

The data is, indeed, the data. And it says you're incorrect.

I don't care what anyone says, unless and until places like China and India do something we are wasting our flipping time really. Oh and in a huge swathe of the US, it is verboten to dry your washing outdoors EVER. So just use the dryer honey. All of you, every day. And drive everywhere why don't you. There are few if any municipal Green bin recycling collections in the US either. So I'm mightily fed up of sorting my recycling when I see what is NOT being done in places that are actually causing a lot of global warming.

My efforts, which I will continue as it is second nature now are only drops in the polluted ocean really.

As it won’t make the Chinese and the Indian sub continent ‘take it seriously’ I don’t think it much matter what the UK ( 1.2% global emissions) does.

i drive very little, I recycle everything, I run the heating at 18 Degrees, I haven’t been in an aeroplane since 2008; but I don’t think it will make much difference.

So you want to change the govt so you can afford it? If everyone lived like you, surely climate change would be sorted quickly. So really when you want to vote for a govt that will make a positive impact on climate change, we already have it?

Dear me, your link doesn’t say what you think it does. It’s a paper on can we have constant economic growth and maintain environmental stability. You obviously don’t know what economic growth is- hint it’s not energy and resource use.

This. No point in us little people caring though if the big companies or governments won't. As much as people like to think we can make a difference, we can't as not enough people will stand together. We need forced into it, no choice. And life will suck for many, but that's the choice we have to make. Make life suck a bit for a while or have life as we know it end quicker.

And the fawning masses who champion these cretins privilege... They fawn and bow and don't see the obscenity.

Nope, I will still fly to see my family. And I will still use my air con.

I literally don't know where to begin here. There's just so much wrong.

The UK and EU use MASSES of fossil fuels. Fritz Haber is literally the only reason we even have the global populations we have now. Without mechanisation, your British and European farms become fallow and useless. Mass industrial agriculture needs fossil fuel inputs for both fertiliser and pesticide production, along with the mechanised equipment used to sow, tend and reap the land. Nothing fossil fuel based is "sustainable", by definition.

On water, what the hell is a "hydrogen engine"? You mean a fuel cell? Guess where it gets the hydrogen and oxygen from, matey.

As for desal, ask farmers in arid countries why they haven't tried that. You need to seriously look at the energy costs for desal. Then you'll see why Lake Mead and the Ogallala aquifer are at the levels they're at. Economically, desalination is ridiculously expensive for meagre amounts of water.

The people that are living on the coasts, where the majority of humanity is, are also the ones going to lose their land in the future. And that's also why nuclear plants are an issue too. Look at EdF in France and Germany's nuke plants to see how climate change is making their nuclear fleet have all sorts of issues.

I'm sorry to say, if you looked at yields of metal ores, topsoil depletion, aquifer depletion and, the king of them all, exergy resources, you'll find we're well past the best resources and are on the downward slope.

No. I do what i can with regard to recycling etc.

nothing more i can personally do. I have other things to worry about

It seems overall, we need companies like darpa, or dtsl ect to create various technology.

The energy and real GDP growth correlation is well documented. You can't have economic growth without using energy, it's kind of physically impossible.

But I'll entertain you. What real economic activity uses no energy or resources?