Britain is not ready for BAME PM

[notnever]

Rishi might just be voted by MPs but will not win general elections. Already we are reminded he is rich, has an US Greencard, cut taxes, unrelatable, wife is rich and did not pay tax, did not declare tax, etc, as if any different from Boris.

Do you think Britain is ready for BAME PM?
Yes = you are unreasonable
No = you are not being unreasonable

NB, you don't have to explain whether it makes Britain racist or not. I am personally happy he is standing for leadership, it will be his good reminder (as many of us BAME know) racism trumps social class.

No it doesn't but polling research consistently puts racism (or immigration as they like to put it) in the top 3 reasons why people voted Leave.
US has a totally different demographic and a different voting system.

If people voted leave over a membership fee of less than 0.5% of GDP or around ONE months spending on the NHS but are more than happy for the Govt to spend 43 billion (2% of GDP) on trac n trace, then no wonder we are in such a mess.

People were against immigration because they knew letting employers have access to an untapped market of 500million people was suppressing wages in the UK.
Remainers were generally those higher up the pay scale where there jobs were not threatened by immigration and they benefitted from employing cheap builders/au pairs/Pret a Manger staff.
We were told wage suppression wasn't happening but in my area jobs like warehousing, truck driving, hospitality and so on saw significant pay rises post Brexit as staff shortages started to bite.
Most of that immigration was by white people.
If you want a great example of passive racism, just take a quick look at the EU parliament then compare it to our parliament. I know which one is a better reflection of a diverse society (hint...it's not the EU).
The left only care about diversity on the surface, what really terrifies them is diversity of thought. Which is why they will be the most disgusting racists and misogynists to a black person or a woman if they speak the "wrong" views.

@Notlabeled Wages (generally) haven't gone up though have they? other than through a 6.6% rise in the min wage.

the Govt has made it very clear there will be no wage rises.

I worked in a sector totally unaffected by immigration, i earned less in 2020 than i did in 2006, despite reduced contractual terms and longer hours.

Convenient scape goat to blame the EU for low wages instead of the real cause, corporate greed and public sector pay freezes, all caused by Austerity.

Good you agree we now have staff shortages caused by Brexit, its a start! but is that actually helping us? supply chain shortages/travel disruption/delays at border crossings, community care in crisis, construction delays.

My DD tells me her ward has delays in discharge due to no community care available for approx 6 weeks, medically healthy people taking up hospital beds whilst others cry out for treatment.... ...

Yet despite the claim to have fixed Social Care, the tories promised no extra wages and now want to reverse this policy and stop the 12 billion nhs cash injection.

We are also paying out 10s of £ billions in lost trading and increased customs costs, far more than our membership.

UK repeatedly elected mainly white M/C men to represent us in Europe, as were all our Brexit ministers.

Zahawhi has just announced if he’s PM he’ll cut government spending by 20% to fund corporate tax cuts, in case anyone still thought he was a serious candidate.

It may be true that SOME ways of becoming rich require intelligence and ability. But many don't. One of the most reliable ways of becoming rich is to have rich parents. Another way is to marry someone rich. While Rishi Sunak, David Cameron and Iain Duncan-Smith were not exactly poverty-stricken in their own right, they all became REALLY rich through their marriages. As Jane Austen almost said, “It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single woman in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a future Tory leader as a husband.” I wouldn't refuse to vote for someone just because they were rich, but I wouldn't take it as proof of their intelligence either!

The left only care about diversity on the surface, what really terrifies them is diversity of thought. Which is why they will be the most disgusting racists and misogynists to a black person or a woman if they speak the "wrong" views

Only have to look at the numbers of women and ethnic MPs in the Labour party to know thats a complete pack of lies.

Voters in Manchester were asked what they thought of tax cuts... they seemed to reply with "there are bigger issues facing the country"

Last thing we need.

CT is already one of the lowest in Europe and as it comes with no commitment to invest in the UK, can be handed back out as director salaries and dividends.

It's interesting that veteran minister, David David has said that Schapps, Hunt and Truss are the ones he is thinking about, as likely winners, as they all have some experience. That sounds unconsciously not ready for a BAME PM', or possibly channeling what he predicts as the views of others, because how can one say that Sajid Javid and Rishi Sunak are lacking experience, in relation to Grant Schapps.

To be fair all the candidates are full of shit when it comes to these mythical tax cuts. Truss this morning don’t say how she’ll find them. The magic money tree just keeps on growing.

Zahawi has now clarified his position to say that he would only cut 20% of civil servants rather than 20% of government spending.

Like Johnson he neglects to mention that the civil service ballooned to deal with the mess brexit, and is still dealing with it.

What do you think the A in BAME stands for?

Indeed.

Sunak is an MP. That means the public have voted for him already. Being Conservative party leader (and therefore PM) depends on the Conservative party. It does not depend on the electorate.

I’m perfectly happy with RS as PM. I don’t care about his wife’s riches. I don’t know why the fuck it’s OK to stereotype everyone as racists though.

In my kids’ secondary school, there is racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia. ALL of this is perpetrated by a minority of very nasty kids. The vast majority of kids are just normal, decent people. It’s the same in life. It is wrong to just call the public racist when a minority of people are. I don’t tolerate it. I had a white friend who was rude and racist about a black child who had beaten her child at sport. I permanently cut her off for it.

I'm not trying to back anyone in to a box, I never get this justification as reason for open or for something. I don't think voting for Braxit makes someone racist or xenophobic either.

I know many people who have added family who are from another background who are racist, or those who have a homosexual sister for instance that are still homophobic.

Have someone in your family doesn't automatically make you open to them.

Why the justification, it proves nothing. In fact amongst people of colour it's a running joke 'she can't be racist, she has (enter ethnicity) friends/ family.

To me if you're not racist it needs no justification, and you shouldn't give a hoot what people think. What others think of you is not your reality.

Government pay freezes are nothing to do with pay in the private sector or Brexit.

You are correct that low pay was mostly down to corporate greed, but it was EU policy on freedom of movement that allowed wages to be kept low.

Have you even ever spoke to a Pole in the UK?They had some some very interesting things to say when Romania was allowed to join the EU. They were unhappy as they knew it would suppress their wages as well, as companies looked to ever poorer EU countries for staff.

This is true across Western Europe. Have you ever spoken to a rural working class Frenchman? A Dutch lorry driver? Many European's hate the EU, despite what remainers think.

As for trade, the EU is a protectionist racket, designed to protect French farmers and German manufacturing. It denied us access to global goods and kept prices high. Ask yourself, why, despite the green agenda pushed in the west, you can't easily buy a £15000 electric car from China, or cheap solar panels from China? The reason is your paying to protect German jobs at the likes of VW and Siemens.

Two of the wealthiest countries in Europe, Switzerland and Norway, are not in the EU. They both have low immigration and high wages.

I voted for the UK to become a version of Singapore on Sea, instead Boris has impoverished us with the economic suicide of net zero and covid lockdowns.

Our failure to capitalise on Brexit is government failure, not Brexit failure.

@Notlabeled Public pay freezes sets the tone for wage increases across all sectors.
Yes i was very good friends with a polish family who both worked in food processing in Wales, they became managers and recruited mainly from EU workers, harder working, would do day w/e and night shifts, their pay rates were way above the UK average.
this idea EU were all working in car washes and picking fruit is rubbish.

Cheap imports from China would devastate UK car manufacturing/associated industries, throwing millions on the dole - in or out of the EU.

MG is Chinese owned, what a heap of rubbish, i don't we need more Chinese copies.
Perhaps you'd be better asking why China operates a very closed market? or should trade barriers only fall one way?
Given China's aggressiveness in the Pacific, i'm not sure we should be increasing them at all, likewise India's support for Russia.

We need more on shoring in this regard and trading more with allies... perhaps even your hated EU.

Being in the EU never stopped UK services or manufacturing from operating and exporting the world over, financial services and many large UK manufacturing companies have been exporting and operating all over the world in the last 50 years.

Singapore (i lived there for 18months) has very high burn out rates and MH issues, is also extremely small, with a v high pop. density and a young workforce, comparisons to the UK are silly.

The EU has never been more popular across Europe, elections since Brexit have shown this, plus extensive polling, even Le Pen has had to roll back her anti EU stance.

It the final two have BAME backgrounds, then yes, we will have a BAME Prime Minister.

I think we are ready for a BAME PM.

I don't think that PM should be Rishi.

My husband is BAME - same background as Sunak / Patel.

His take is that you don't have to be white to be a Tory, you just have to be a cunt.

Having a BAME PM means nothing. The idea that BAME = progressive is embarrassingly reductive. Selfish and greedy people are represented in all ethnic groups.

Brexit Britain won't vote for a brown person

They won't vote for a brown woman. I think we could have a male non-white PM.

That said, some of the most Brexity areas have voted for people like Suella and Priti, so who knows. Maybe it was just the White Eastern Europeans they didn't like.

I live in one of the safest Tory seats in the country and our MP isn't white.

What do you think will happen if we do have a prime minister from a black or ethnic minority background?

I couldn't are less what ethnicity our next PM is, as long as they do a better job than we've been having, and actually put the people first. And no - Rishi is not the best candidate for this role.

Love this!! 😂

We know racism is alive and well. Brexit, the internet, mass media, rise of the alt right, etc, have all enabled/encouraged those with racist views. How much racism plays a part in preventing current BAME leadership candidates from achieving the top job is difficult to say? There’s alot of variables in voting behaviour. The Conservatives are in a much weaker position now - a lot of people don’t trust them.