Britain is not ready for BAME PM

[notnever]

Rishi might just be voted by MPs but will not win general elections. Already we are reminded he is rich, has an US Greencard, cut taxes, unrelatable, wife is rich and did not pay tax, did not declare tax, etc, as if any different from Boris.

Do you think Britain is ready for BAME PM?
Yes = you are unreasonable
No = you are not being unreasonable

NB, you don't have to explain whether it makes Britain racist or not. I am personally happy he is standing for leadership, it will be his good reminder (as many of us BAME know) racism trumps social class.

I think there’s plenty of people who retrospectively would be quite happy if BJ’s country of birth had prevented him from getting anywhere near no.10.

In general wealthy people will skew heavily towards being more intelligent and able

Thats debatable - i would argue that if you are so wealthy you don't ever need the public services the majority rely on, you are out of touch and remote, often looking down at people less successful than themselves.

Having worked in the 'city (IT not banking), the wealthy folk i knew had little compassion/empathy and the way many treated cleaners/security/caterers was shocking.

We ve had a succession of wealthy elites governing us since WW2, yet this country has worse outcomes than almost any other European comparable country.

I’ve seen quite a few posts re U.K. ‘not ready for a non white PM’ - if on the left probably hoping that is the case

Ar same time that candidates are successful but imo it’s great we have a candidate list that is diverse - that is a U.K. I like and there must be the opportunities that led each to where they are

In general wealthy people will skew heavily towards being more intelligent and able. What a frankly disgusting and prejudiced comment @AnaïsM

Wealthy people will skew towards having received a better education, neither of which makes them automatically intelligent and able. Particularly as that education will have been bought regardless of their inherent ability. They’ve been coached to memorise the right stuff but not necessarily in how to apply it outside the very narrow rules the same class has created.

Hence why you have Rees Moggs.

Do you honestly think there is a ''rich'' gene or genetic brain makeup that makes wealthy people more intelligent and able? If they lose their money on the stock market, does they then become as thick as other poor people?

Jesus fucking wept. Prejudice exists in many manifestations.

These 'brown people' have all been voted in as MPs by Tory voters though, so the Tory voters are not as racist as you think OP. I wouldn't vote for any of the candidates purely because I don't agree with their politics, but if I had to choose I would go for Javid, purely because he seems like the most level headed and grown-up of the bunch - nothing to do with whatever colour his skin is or isn't.

I am unlikely to vote for any tory. Some Britons are racist sure but also many are sexist and conservatives have done alright with female leaders so I don't think it would stop them winning elections as long as people feel they make a good leader. Rishi might not go down well after his wife's tax affairs but I don't know I didnt vote for Johnson so clearly don't get the average voter

Who knows? In 1973, our Education Secretary said that there was unlikely to be woman Prime Minister 'in my lifetime'. That Education Secretary was Margaret Thatcher.

I wouldn't have thought America would vote for a non-white president any time in the next 50 years - but they did in 2008 and 2012.

Even UKIP had a non-white leader at one point.

Was the UK 'ready' for an ethnically Jewish Prime Minister in the 1860s and 1870s? Probably not. But they got a pretty successful one anyway!

How so?

If you are intelligent and well-educated you are more able to get a high-paying job.

If you have low IQ and no qualifications that option is less available.

It’s no more prejudiced than saying that good basketball players skew towards being taller.

In general wealthy people will skew heavily towards being more intelligent and able.

I'm not sure about that, I've met a fair few wealthy people who have opportunity because of parents &/or contacts as opposed to high intelligence.

You have cause and effect the wrong way round. If you are very intelligent then you can more easily become a GP, banker, corporate lawyer etc. Intelligence is beneficial if you want a high-paying job.

This isn’t controversial or prejudiced at all. It’s a bit sad that people are angered by simple truths.

And personally I don't align most qualifications with IQ.

Personally, I wouldn't vote for Rishi. But it's not because of the colour of his skin. It's because of the (blue) colour of his rosette.

You don’t believe that the more intelligent pupils at your school came out with better results, on average, than the less intelligent ones?

That sounds quite unlikely.

The most intelligent from my school went on to good degrees, the least intelligent left as early as they could and did no further qualifications.

You are confusing success and promotion - well done for recognising there is a barrier against promoting working class people to high positions or government (generalisation) - with innate characteristics of intelligence and ability, as though there is a ''rich intelligence gene''. Frankly abhorrent eugenicism

If you are very intelligent then you can more easily become a GP, banker, corporate lawyer etc. Intelligence is beneficial if you want a high-paying job.

You don't seem to understand what people are saying.

Wealthy people aren't automatically born with a higher IQ than non wealthy people.

Wealthy people have more access to good education, parental support, role models in the careers you mentioned, aspirations that are encouraged, their parents can fund their studies, their parents can pay them an allowance while they do internships in a city (something out of reach financially for many people), they have access to contacts through their parents and schools... the list of privileges is endless.

There are always exceptions to this of course, genuinely self made millionaires etc. But for the most part wealthy people don't just happen to have a higher IQ than poor people. That was either a foolish thing to think or you worded it incredibly poorly.

Already we are reminded he is rich, has an US Greencard, cut taxes, unrelatable, wife is rich and did not pay tax, did not declare tax, etc

You negate your own point, @notnever. The issue is not even remotely the colour of his skin, but his behaviour and policies. Those things are why he's unelectable.

Eton is nothing to do with it. There are fuckwits at all schools. One school and its endlessly long list of former and current pupils should not be judged by the entitled idiocy of a vocal and well-known tiny minority.

Ah, the old classic all cleaners / bus drivers / hair dressers / shop workers / grounds maintenance / keyworker / anyone in a ''nonprofessional'' role or on less than 50 grand a year are stupid and it's their own fault they aren't a lawyer trope, and that no one who is in one of these professions or earning a lot money or the government got a hli hand due to nepotism and connections and going to private school fantasy but through sheer hard work alone, AKA classism, AKA demonisation of working people demonstrated nicely in action by yourself

Better him than an unemployed single mother with no qualifications who’s living on benefits though.

This isn't even relevant to anything. Did you really have to shoehorn single mother bashing into your post @AnaïsM? Very prejudiced, I'll-informed, outdated and lacking in empathy.

You don’t believe that the more intelligent pupils at your school came out with better results, on average, than the less intelligent ones?

No, the ones who revised the most did the best. I also don't think the best way to measure intelligence is our school exams. In one of my A level modules I didn't do any revision & got an E. I retook it 3 months later & got 98%, the highest grade in the school. I revised the night before & got lucky that the paper was based on that. Did I go from stupid to really intelligent in 3 months?