Britain is not ready for BAME PM

[notnever]

Rishi might just be voted by MPs but will not win general elections. Already we are reminded he is rich, has an US Greencard, cut taxes, unrelatable, wife is rich and did not pay tax, did not declare tax, etc, as if any different from Boris.

Do you think Britain is ready for BAME PM?
Yes = you are unreasonable
No = you are not being unreasonable

NB, you don't have to explain whether it makes Britain racist or not. I am personally happy he is standing for leadership, it will be his good reminder (as many of us BAME know) racism trumps social class.

Eh? Where did you get those figures from? Last I checked Caucasian people made up 80%+ of the UK population.

The industry I work in was affected by covid restrictions in other countries long before the UK went into lock down. We were stood down unpaid before the furlough scheme or the UK lockdown was announced. We were all terrified on our last day in on how we could pay any bills or get food on zero income so the announcement of the furlough scheme by the UK government was very welcome to us.

Your ability to understand statistics is genuinely amazing.

You could just have a Google to find out. Took me a few seconds to find this from an interview with him:

“British Indian is what I tick on the census, we have a category for it. I am thoroughly British, this is my home and my country, but my religious and cultural heritage is Indian, my wife is Indian. I am open about being a Hindu,” he says. He points out, for instance, that he doesn’t eat beef “and it has never been a problem”. As for America, it is different:“Religion pervades political life there, and that is not the case here, thankfully.”

@loveforallhatredfornone I somehow left out good. i thought it was a good scheme

@Beautiful3

You do realise there are more brown people from different ethnicities, than white people now in the UK!

Where on earth are you getting that from?!

In 2019, the most common ethnic group in England and Wales was White (84.8%), decreasing by 1.2 percentage points since the 2011 Census; the next biggest change from 2011 was within the Other ethnic group which increased by 0.9 percentage points.

A bit off topic, but blatant misinformation like this really not helpful. UK is 79% ethnic white. So no, there are not more brown people than white.

Can you pist a link to where did you get that statistic from @Beautiful3 ? 2011 census showed 87% of the UK population is white.

This narrative is an example of setting you house on fire but then make you grateful by sending a fire engine to save you.

If this incompetent government hadn’t locked down healthy people. Many millions would not have needed to be furloughed if the whole economy was not shut down unnecessarily. And yes it was unnecessary.

Post not pist.

I suspect @Beautiful3 is thinking of the ethnic breakdown for London. In the last census 43.4% described themselves as "white British"

But obviously London is atypical!

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/populationestimatesbyethnicgroupandreligionenglandandwales/2019

as long as they didn't go to bloody Eton!

If any woman gets the job, problem solved.

We were stood down unpaid before lockdown and before furlough. If the UK had not introduced furlough or gone into lockdown we would still not have been working and still had zero income and that would have been the case for the hundreds of thousands of people employed in my industry and those employed in our supply industries.

As for lockdown being unnecessary I disagree especially the first lockdown when we had no idea what Coronavirus was or how to treat it. We all saw the news reports from China and Italy of people unable to get medical help because the health services were overwhelmed. Lockdown was not about stopping the virus it was to stop the NHS being completely overwhelmed and unable to offer any care at all. All political parties were calling for lockdown and if it had been a labour government we would have been in lockdowns 1 & 2 earlier than we were if you believe what Starmer was saying at the time.

Couldn't care less about Sunak's ethnicity. He's an UHNW elitist arsehole who shouldn't be anywhere near politics, let alone a top job where he can affect millions of people's lives with a stroke of a pen, but then I feel that way about all uhnw individuals, especially those who have never had any real appreciation/exposure to the struggles of the average person.

That said, Sunak has been voted for by his constituents since 2015 (?) so clearly there's no issue with his electability in the eyes of those who actually vote for him and there's plenty of other Conservative mps from minority backgrounds.

Are you suggesting that large chunks of Conservative voters, who already vote for those MPs, would stop if one was elevated to PM (insinuating that it is Tory voters who are the racists)? When the tories lose the next general election it will be down to their appalling record in government over the last 12 years, not because they have a BAME leader.

Personally, I think the fact that the tories will be in power over this winter, when the cost of living crisis really bites, will spell the end of their time in government. They seem unwilling or incapable of doing a single meaningful thing to address the situation and the impact is now so wide reaching that it will (thankfully) make them unelectable for years.

I also don't think the British public really pay that much attention to race when it comes to elections in general. Core beliefs are the primary driver with class and privilege backgrounds being much bigger factors after that than race.

She's still wrong for London though:

London was the most ethnically and religiously diverse region in England and Wales where the largest ethnic groups were White British (43.4%), Other White (14.6%) and Black African (7.9%); people with a religion other than Christian accounted for over 25% of London's population compared with an estimated 10.6% of the overall population.

So 58% white in London.

OP, are you suggesting we should turn a blind eye to all of Sunak's problems (and I'm sure all the candidates have issues relating to certain issues one way or another) simply because he is BAME? So being BAME means you can do whatever you like so long as the person voted in isn't white?

Or are you suggesting that the British electorate is a bunch of racists that will never vote for him at general election, so the Tories shouldn't pick him?

Or are you suggesting that any BAME person that's rich/higher class is electable, but any poorer/lower class BAME person is unelectable because the country only want to be led by rich, high class people?

By the way, I am only using ''BAME'' to copy you, but it's a deeply problematic word which you seem to have happily adopted.

I'm terribly confused by all the mishmashing together of several unrelated things in your opening post, which mostly seems to be making a dig about Britain being a festering sore of racism.

I don’t know how to vote on this, as it is not the colour of his skin that bothers me, but the fact that his parents were not born here does. How much does he, born well-off to parents who spent most of their lives as inter-continental jaunters, know about this country and how its people live?

He certainly will know nothing and care less about those of us born into poverty in the north who can barely afford a trip to the next town.

I suspect @Beautiful3 is thinking of the ethnic breakdown for London. In the last census 43.4% described themselves as "white British"

But obviously London is atypical!

‘Erm there are a lot of ‘White Other’ in London so Beautiful3 is incorrect unless she counts people with Eastern European, Greek, Spanish, Italian etc as being brown and only White British as white (although there are of course extreme racists who only count Aryan/North West Europeans as properly white). I’m not saying B3 is one of those people but she has a scarily poor understanding of stats or just using her eyes at best.

(And no I never liked Johnson either, nor most politicians. They are all taking the piss.)

Surely most racism against Asians is directed at Muslims after ISIS? Great time to mention btw that 1.8 million Muslims live in peace and harmony. But a vegetarian peaceable Hindu? The British love saying Namaste, don’t they?

I think Rishi is actually fairly similar to Obama in many ways. But… he’s extremely rich in a cost of living crisis. If he doesn’t get in, it will be that not race that stops him.

Will he always do and say the right thing and raise Britain’s integrity overseas? Yes, probably.

1.8 billion muslims live in peace and harmony

he will not be voted PM because he is BAME

No, he possibly wont be voted as PM as there is dirt in his background - including a massively rich wife, and her non-dom status (to avoid paying UK taxes)

In May 2022, Rishi Sunak made his debut on the Sunday Times Rich List. Sunak, alongside his heiress wife, Akshata Murty, were said to have a combined fortune of £730 million.

According to the Sunday Times List, Mr and Mrs Sunak are the 222nd wealthiest people in the UK. They were said to be twice as wealthy as Queen Elizabeth II, whose personal wealth was estimated at £350 million.

...the bulk of Rishi Sunak‘s wealth comes through his marriage to Akshata Murty.

This non dom status, for which the Chancellor‘s wife will have paid £30,000 per year, reduces the amount of UK tax that a non domiciled person living in the UK has to pay on their income earned abroad. The BBC have suggested that in the previous year, Mrs Sunak’s dividends from Infosys amounted to £11.6 million.

While all the time telling the UK people that they need to tighten their belts,

but the fact that his parents were not born here does.

Really? Boris was born in New York.... And how much does he know about the average joe??

But why is that mother unemployed? and single? and on benefits? Is it because she is feckless or is it because she was failed by the state, by her education provision, by the man who made her pregnant and beat her up?

Most of his wealth comes from marriage as well, so how much intelligence did that take?