Britain is not ready for BAME PM

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Rishi might just be voted by MPs but will not win general elections. Already we are reminded he is rich, has an US Greencard, cut taxes, unrelatable, wife is rich and did not pay tax, did not declare tax, etc, as if any different from Boris.

Do you think Britain is ready for BAME PM?
Yes = you are unreasonable
No = you are not being unreasonable

NB, you don't have to explain whether it makes Britain racist or not. I am personally happy he is standing for leadership, it will be his good reminder (as many of us BAME know) racism trumps social class.

Don't understand why this is even a question

This with bells on

I get the impression that the left-leaning posters on here would be utterly bereft to have a non-white PM. To them the right being racist is a matter of faith, something that they hold dear and do not want disproven.

This is despite the EHRC having found recently that Labour were racist to their core.

Id go with this, Rishi is too rich and successful, some dodgy aspects surrounding tax..

I think Sunak is one of the better of quite a bad lot on a personal level.

I think the tax strategy that he and Gove took was relatively sensible; I don't mind higher taxes in the least, but Johnson's slash-taxes-spend-a-lot model was dumb. My concern, however, is that Sunak will bow to internal pressure and cut taxes, and then in turn cut services even further, which concerns me. This country doesn't need more austerity, and I think Sunak might take us there.

I don't love that he kept his wife's non-dom status to avoid taxation, just as I don't like that Jacob Rees-Mogg has been involved with offshore tax havens. Neither seem illegal, but both are ethically problematic in my eyes.

All of that said, I don't think that anyone who sat in government under Johnson should be PM. They put up with too much for too long. Some may have done it for (slightly) noble reasons. Most did it for sheer ambition. And they are complicit in the lying, the dismantling of public trust, and the corruption of Johnson's regime. A plague on all their houses.

As for his race, I suspect you are right, OP, at least for some people and at least to some extent. I think he will be held to different standards for identical behavior. Some people who were on board with Johnson and who find Jacob Rees Mogg's caricatured self comforting rather than grotesque will find Sunak offensive. But on the whole I think that people will vote for him. It might even give some cover for their racism ("I can't be racist, I voted for Sunak!").

Personally, I won't be voting for him because a) I don't live in his constituency, b) I'm not a Tory MP, and c) even if I were either of those things, I couldn't vote for anyone who had sat in Johnson's government for that long.

I think we are ready for a BAME PM, but personally I'd go for Sajid Javid rather than Rishi Sunak.

I don't yet know enough about Kemi Badenoch or Suella Braverman, but they both look credible candidates. I feel the same about Tom Tugenhat.

I wouldn't want Priti Patel for many reasons, but her race is not one of them. Similarly, I wouldn't want Grant Shapps, but it's not because he's a white man!

(I should say that there's no clear evidence that JRM avoided tax on any profit, as per the Paradise Papers. But he has defended tax havens and I find his approach to wealth grotesque. www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/09/brexiters-put-money-offshore-tax-haven)

This and other posters on the same lines, I honestly think most of these vocal leftwingers not all mind, would be lost without a race card to throw around and claim the UK is utterly racist to its core.

I often question if they would even want to stamp out racism as it would give them no more mud to sling.

YABU and the things you cite about Sunak have bog all to do with ethnicity or skin colour anyway. As such I'm not sure how happy people would be with him!

I may have the wrong end of the stick about the electorate but if the stated policy fits and there is some level of integrity (! Or is that wishful thinking?) then I don't think people care about ethnicity. Brexit Britain seem to be happy with Priti Patel for example. I think people would accept a person of any colour for PM now, as long as they believe that person will improve things.

Is Britain not ready for a BAME leader or because of all the other reasons in yiur original post. You've mixed up his colour with all the other reasons you think will put people off him.

Does Britain only like poor, un connected BAME as potential leaders?

I think it would be quite the opposite.

Quite. For the left, it would like losing a pound and finding a penny if a non-white leader was elected.

We've already had a PM from an ethnic minority group. Just pointing that out

I don't care what colour they are I just want an honest politician with integrity who cares . I'm going to be disappointed because there isn't one

some dodgy aspects surrounding tax..

Nothing illegal & everyone does whatever they can to reduce the tax liability. Look at how many threads on here about reducing IHT or CGT.

BAME = Black, Asian and minority ethnic hence Sunak is BAME

Whilst the rich do this, it doesn’t make it ethically right. I’m part of the squeezed middle I guess and it really irks me.

I think you’re right you can see it on here

I’m very happy to see diversity in the leader race and glad to see who the front runners are

It doesn't bother me what colour our pm is, I don't care. But I do expect them to have been born and raised here, thats my only stipulation. I think you'll be surprised how many would want a brown pm. You do realise there are more brown people from different ethnicities, than white people now in the UK!

I'd support Rishi Sunak as PM.

1)If it hadn't been for the furlough scheme millions of working class people (me included) would have been made redundant and forced into extreme poverty during the pandemic.

2)His wealth to me isn't an issue, I could support a candidate rich or poor.

3)His wife's non-dom status was perfectly legal, money made in India was taxed in India, money made in the UK was taxed in the UK - how many of you would be happy being double taxed on your income?

4. The current economic crisis is global not just the UK and is not his fault in any way.

5. Cutting taxes is fine (and he has done this by raising the NI threshold) but services need to be paid for and if we have tax cuts services will need to be cut or more debt accured and our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren will be the ones who have to pay it,

If it's not Rishi Sunak I'd like Tom Tugendhat as the next leader.

The thing is that if the conservatives vote in Rishi, Javid etc.
It will be interesting to see if the next election is fought on principles and policies or racism.

1)If it hadn't been for the furlough scheme millions of working class people (me included) would have been made redundant and forced into extreme poverty during the pandemic.

I think this was a scheme. I wasn't furloughed but I don't understand the narrative that furloughed are the new benefit scroungers or that you could prevent people from working & expect them to have nothing.

@Friendship101 but do you have a problem with less rich people using CGT & IHT loopholes. I don't think the tax system is working & would bring CGT in line with income for example & have much higher levies on 2nd homes but that wouldn't be popular with the general public.

So you don’t pay into a pension, use your personal allowance or have an ISA?

I think the issue of ethnicity is largely irrelevant in this case.

It’s more a case of if anyone from the line up or the Tory party can be trusted to govern properly.

The whole thing is a sick farce IMO.

I think there's a difference between multiracialism and multiculturalism. The right seems to promote multiracialism and the left, multiculturalism.
This is where there seems to be a huge difference in attitude and why the Tories appear to be more diverse in race as a party, and why they seem to have less pigeon holed mps from multiracial backgrounds.
Labour champions multiculturalism and have mps pigeonholed into the 'correct' multicultural areas. With this strategy, it's unlikely that labour would ever have a black or Asian leader.