Are Tory voters that stupid?

[StoneofDestiny]

Listening to Tory after Tory coming on TV this morning and almost every one has mentioned Jeremy Corbyn as the fear factor in voting Labour at the next election. Seriously - is that the best argument they have got to steer the public disgust at this government's behaviour away from them?

There are plenty of people calling labour supporters and SNP voters thick and stupid.
It is social media unfortunately. People say things here they would not say to people's faces.

I think it's more that Momentum are waiting in the wings. Starmer get's elected, they think he'll be voted out within a month or two.

Plus the voting structure of theLabour Party. And no, they aren't stupid!

It isn't lefties turning against Johnson.

It's people from everywhere.

Even his own party.

And you only have to listen to Johnson speak about Labour or to,Starmer to have evidence it's both parties both ways.

The difference currently is Johnson does it as the panto,one bulky towards Starmer.

Starmer is intelligent cool and forensic when he does it back.

The electorate will be a whole host of different personalities and presentations doing it to the opposite party they support unless they are swing voters.

Even the Mail was struggling to defend Johnson in the end.

@EdgeOfACoin, Self ID was a Conservative proposal under Theresa May's reform of the GRA. The current Trans shitshow: male bodies folk in women's spaces; cops arresting women for saying stuff on Twitter; the massive increase in trans presenting folk, all happened under a Tory government.😡

Oh and they may vote Penny Mordaunt to be their next leader.😱

I am not a Labour supporter. Never voted for them, never will.

I haven’t read this whole thread so I don’t know if this has already been said but as a Jewish member of society I felt I didn’t have any choice but to vote Tory. Tbh I still feel thankful that JC did not make leader of this county. I hate what the conservatives have done over the last few years and I absolutely can’t stand Boris, but if I was put in the situation again I’d have to vote the same.
I’m not stupid or racist, I just have a different perspective on who the villains are.
People might vote a certain way for any number of reasons other than the obvious.

I am very tempted to vote Tory at next election. I’m definitely not right wing or a supporter of their policies.

I just think if labour come in at the next election they’ll (and the same is true for nay party inc Tories) not be able to get us out of deep more caused from brexit and NHS Crisis. That’ll go on for years to come and we’re in for a very roughy ride over next 5-10 years as a result. Labour will “fail” but will get the blame as to why Brexit/Nhs etc has caused so much pain and the Tory’s will weaponise that for years. So we’ll have 1 labour government and then back to Tories denying that the shit show we’ll still be going through has anything to do with them. I seriously don’t think labour or any left wing party will ever recover from that.

I want the Tories to deal with the mess of their own making. I want them to have to pick up the economic and cultural fracturing fallout of this and not wash their hands and disappear for 4 years to watch others try to clear up their mess. Maybe at the end of that people will realise that brexit, nhs decimation and other Tory policies are not beneficial to anyone who is not already wealthy.

But there agian , I come from industry where we plan long term out to 10 years and I believe if we had longer parliamentary session of say 10 years we’d all be in a better place. When Tories can call elections every 3 years when their infighting causes a internal fracture, all the parties are just playing to the electorate. As soon as they come into power they do a bunch of stuff, then start thinking about how to retain power at the next election and how to “bribe” the electorate to do that. Let’s move to longer term thinking, where parties have to implement policies, stabilise them and prove the benefits over many years before going back to the electorate.

anyone ever heard such bollocks as that speech

I just think if labour come in at the next election they’ll (and the same is true for nay party inc Tories) not be able to get us out of deep more caused from brexit and NHS Crisis

Vote for who you like but "I don't trust the opposition to fix the problem this government made so I'm going to, er, vote for the government again" is pretty warped logic.

Johnson may be gone but the tory psychodrama will continue. They don't know any other way.

Not this tired old shit again. Let’s hope for your sake Penny Mordaunt isn’t the next Tory leader.

As a voter, I would like:

• increased taxes on the super rich
• taxing two parent families as a unit, not separately, thus not penalising parents who choose to stay at home with their children
• increased help with childcare for parents who work, along with greater pay and training for early years educators
• a more holistic and individual approach to education, diversification of the curriculum with greater focus on critical thinking rather than the exams conveyor belt, better support for SEND and better support for home educators
• removal of attendance fines
• the right to flexible working from day 1 of employment
• removal of charitable status from private schools
• removal of tuition fees
• removal of the first past the post system
• increased environmental policies
• recognition that trans rights and women's rights are at odds with one another and the ability to be able to state that without being told I am a bigot
• funding for decent public transport in all areas of the UK, including rural areas
• increased funding for libraries

Among other things. No party will give me all that so I'll vote for the one that will give me some of it. Won't be the Tories.

"Tired old shit"?? Bloody hell

@Hrpuffnstuff1 We know what needs to happen to improve our economy. These are not quick fixes.

1. Improve public transport


2. Increase the amount of manufacturing


3. Cancel free trade ports, they do not work


4. Stop propping up the housing market, it needs to rebalance. Very high house prices and rents benefit individuals, but they hold back the economy


5. Start building relationships with other countries and decent trade deals. Our relationships are incredibly poor at the moment.

@Kitkat712, I'm afraid voting Conservative hasn't done anything to help. They passed into law the ability to strip any British person of their UK citizenship, if they believe that person could be eligible for citizenship elsewhere. Jewish people, black and brown people and the people of Northern Ireland are made vulnerable by it.

Oh, and they dont have to inform you either. You could go on holiday and find you are stateless and homeless when you try to come home.

Ditto

glad many are moving on from this view

I do t think it's stupid to think that way.

History tells us when Tory's fail and Labour can't mop up the mess in 5 minutes then Labour is blamed.

I think your post is very astute.

Well I wasn't surprised to hear him blame everyone else

He's pathalogically incapable of showing contrition. It's genuinely kind of weird.

Yes they are. Full stop.

What an excellent well thought out argument 🙄

You do what the conservatives are much better at and rather than engaging and getting sucked into debates on controversial issues you focus on whatever is common ground for your supporters and stress how you’ll deliver there and why your ideas are better than everyone else’s. Whatever anyone asks you about you weasel back to your key point and if it’s the opposition asking you call them out for just seeking to get away from the critical issues like x/y/z. Once you are deal with some more controversial stuff quickly and then have time for the furore about it to die down and for most people to have moved on before the next election. Maybe it’s not ideal but it’s clearly the way to get elected 🤷🏼‍♀️

At some point I would hope that Conservative voters wake up and realise that the Tory party is chaotic and detrimental to the country. They are no friend to women. They are not the party of law and order. They are not Conservative with a small "c", their radical policies of Austerity and Brexit have severely damaged us, domestically and internationally. Their recklessness, incompetence and corruption are off the scale.🤯

I don't care who you vote for. But please, for the love of all that is good in this country, stop being distracted by the "but Labour" bullshit and start paying attention to the fucking mess we're in, how we got here and what the party in power are doing.

The UK does not exist in an economic bubble.
Increases in the manufacturing base aren't happening at this time.

www.bis.org/publ/bisbull48.pdf
I really can't be arsed to paraphrase.

People are going to have to be patient, changing PM or even the colors of government will make zero difference.

Most of them manage to fit in at least a full term. The last time a Tory PM served a full term, it was in a coalition government.

The Conservative Party is a shambolic mess.

Only the people who don't understand that other people can have a different opinion to theirs are truly stupid.