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Are Tory voters that stupid?

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StoneofDestiny · 07/07/2022 10:06

Listening to Tory after Tory coming on TV this morning and almost every one has mentioned Jeremy Corbyn as the fear factor in voting Labour at the next election. Seriously - is that the best argument they have got to steer the public disgust at this government's behaviour away from them?

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VioletInsolence · 07/07/2022 12:20

A working class person voting Tory knows nothing about politics or has been taken in by the trickle down effect nonsense. They may not be stupid but they’re not educated in something that could be learned in 30 minutes.

My ex husband votes Tory and he’s not stupid but he has very little wisdom, empathy or compassion. He’s actually incredibly similar in personality to Boris and I believe that he’d be almost identical if he’d been born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He doesn’t believe in removing benefits but I think that’s more to do with the fact that he knows society would fall to pieces without them.

princesscacao · 07/07/2022 12:20

Can someone please explain what exactly was so “terrifying” about Corbyn?

Personally I didn't find him terrifying but I did find him anti semitic.

And he is hard left and you'd be hard pressed to get a majority of voters to support the hard left.

I'm left of centre myself (mostly), but I'd still probably have voted for Corbyn had it not been for the anti semitism. I would die before ever voting Tory though.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 07/07/2022 12:21

When are people going to start heckling and pillorying the electorate? Taking away their livelihoods and taking them to task for not delivering on their promises?

Of course, better by far to blether around on a chatboard, making pronouncements that people are stupid because, well, they are.

We deserve what we get - and that includes those who've somehow escalated themselves to bunching up on a perch like so many noisy parrots. Do something that matters and share your political pearls of wisdom, or don't? Not your job? Fine, don't expect people to listen afterwards.

princesscacao · 07/07/2022 12:21

Tony Blair had charisma by the bucket load and look where that got us?

I agree, that was literally the point I was making.

GlitterSparkley · 07/07/2022 12:22

I’m fed up with all the scathing comments about those people who vote conservative. I’m not ‘stupid’, I don’t hate people just because I vote conservative.

I despise Boris and his lying. If he didn’t step down, I would struggle to know who to vote for in the next GE - however I would also not vote for labour under any circumstance and would most likely spoil my ballot paper.

That does not make me ‘stupid’ or whatever other awful shit is targeted at those who political views are not socialist or not the same as their own. I will not have my opinions ‘cancelled’ because I don’t have the same views as the majority of people on this board.

I hope that the conservative party can regroup and sort themselves out and make themselves electable again.

FourTeaFallOut · 07/07/2022 12:23

princesscacao · 07/07/2022 12:21

Tony Blair had charisma by the bucket load and look where that got us?

I agree, that was literally the point I was making.

A decade in office?

princesscacao · 07/07/2022 12:24

So no, I am not going to vote for a party that is not capable of recognising biological sex. I am not voting for a party that cannot comprehend the problems that arise when we allow the word 'woman' to become meaningless under the law. I am not going to vote for my daughter's rights to be removed accidentally, because Labour were too shortsighted and afraid of critical thinking to interrogate the issues.

So you'd rather vote for a party that tolerates sex pests as MPs then. Very feminist of you.

I'm GC, and I understand why you wouldn't vote Labour (although I still would), but voting Tory instead on women's rights grounds is bonkers in the extreme.

ILikeHotWaterBottles · 07/07/2022 12:25

It still works now.. just look at the people on here.

Can't have labour, they are against women and don't like women.

Brilliant, let's just have the Tories who assault both men and women and don't give a shit about our rights either. Great idea..

princesscacao · 07/07/2022 12:25

A decade in office?

The end of that decade in office has now lead to over a decade of Tory rule, thanks to Blair's legacy and the ridiculous in fighting in the Labour Party.

princesscacao · 07/07/2022 12:26

Can't have labour, they are against women and don't like women.

Brilliant, let's just have the Tories who assault both men and women and don't give a shit about our rights either. Great idea..

This 100%. Utterly moronic and I am as gender critical as they come.

x2boys · 07/07/2022 12:26

VioletInsolence · 07/07/2022 12:20

A working class person voting Tory knows nothing about politics or has been taken in by the trickle down effect nonsense. They may not be stupid but they’re not educated in something that could be learned in 30 minutes.

My ex husband votes Tory and he’s not stupid but he has very little wisdom, empathy or compassion. He’s actually incredibly similar in personality to Boris and I believe that he’d be almost identical if he’d been born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He doesn’t believe in removing benefits but I think that’s more to do with the fact that he knows society would fall to pieces without them.

That's a massive generalisation and extremely patronising, you are assuming working class people are too thick to watch the news and take an interest in politics ,because they don't vote the wayvyou think they should .

SleeplessInEngland · 07/07/2022 12:26

This is the third PM to resign outside of an election in 6 years. In a way it's great for the tories because they get to stay in power while still blaming 'the last lot'.

the80sweregreat · 07/07/2022 12:27

I wouldn't want to be in charge of all this coming our way though , whichever party you support! There are going to be a lot of problems emerging this winter
I am surrounded by conservative voters even Married to one and he feels this was just a witch hunt.
Just normal people with different values and reasons for voting as they do.
We all need to appreciate that not everyone thinks the same way too.

Pyewhacket · 07/07/2022 12:27

They don't need Corbyn. Starmer, Raynor and the Unions will be enough.

EdgeOfACoin · 07/07/2022 12:27

princesscacao · 07/07/2022 12:24

So no, I am not going to vote for a party that is not capable of recognising biological sex. I am not voting for a party that cannot comprehend the problems that arise when we allow the word 'woman' to become meaningless under the law. I am not going to vote for my daughter's rights to be removed accidentally, because Labour were too shortsighted and afraid of critical thinking to interrogate the issues.

So you'd rather vote for a party that tolerates sex pests as MPs then. Very feminist of you.

I'm GC, and I understand why you wouldn't vote Labour (although I still would), but voting Tory instead on women's rights grounds is bonkers in the extreme.

And I should vote Labour who have committed to destroy women's rights in law because...?

welshpolarbear · 07/07/2022 12:27

GlitterSparkley · 07/07/2022 12:22

I’m fed up with all the scathing comments about those people who vote conservative. I’m not ‘stupid’, I don’t hate people just because I vote conservative.

I despise Boris and his lying. If he didn’t step down, I would struggle to know who to vote for in the next GE - however I would also not vote for labour under any circumstance and would most likely spoil my ballot paper.

That does not make me ‘stupid’ or whatever other awful shit is targeted at those who political views are not socialist or not the same as their own. I will not have my opinions ‘cancelled’ because I don’t have the same views as the majority of people on this board.

I hope that the conservative party can regroup and sort themselves out and make themselves electable again.

Can you tell us what you think is good about the Tory party because I certainly can't see anything.

x2boys · 07/07/2022 12:29

FourTeaFallOut · 07/07/2022 12:23

A decade in office?

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Well and the small matter of the Iraq war and weapons of mass destruction, I voted for he really did make people believe things could only get better and for a while they did and then Iraq

whatkatydid2013 · 07/07/2022 12:31

If Labour lose the next election it’s not because Conservative voters are stupid. It’s because they’ve failed to convince people they are a better option. If they can’t manage to persuade people they are a better option than the total shambles that is Boris Johnson’s cabinet then honestly I despair a bit.

EdgeOfACoin · 07/07/2022 12:31

Brilliant, let's just have the Tories who assault both men and women and don't give a shit about our rights either. Great idea..

Seems to me that Pincher has gone and Boris has resigned. Contrary to popular belief, it's not Tory party policy to be a sex pest and they haven't written it into statute.

EdgeOfACoin · 07/07/2022 12:32

whatkatydid2013 · 07/07/2022 12:31

If Labour lose the next election it’s not because Conservative voters are stupid. It’s because they’ve failed to convince people they are a better option. If they can’t manage to persuade people they are a better option than the total shambles that is Boris Johnson’s cabinet then honestly I despair a bit.

Agree

princesscacao · 07/07/2022 12:32

And I should vote Labour who have committed to destroy women's rights in law because...?

Where did I say you "should" vote Labour?

If you are willing to vote for a party which tolerates sex pests and rapists because you don't like the fact that SOME Labour MPs buy into the trans nonsense, OK. That's you. Really great way to effect change on the left.

FourTeaFallOut · 07/07/2022 12:32

Absolutely, he fucked the whole thing. I'm not here to tell you I think he got that right. But he appealed to the voter, enough voters, prior to that. Labour are only going to get the chance if they get elected. You can be morally right from the safe seats, maybe Labour are comfortable there now?

the80sweregreat · 07/07/2022 12:33

The LP could do with a new leader too.

princesscacao · 07/07/2022 12:34

I honestly don't think you can really blame Labour. They have a completely impossible task - to unite two wings of the left that are at total odds with one another. On the one hand you have the left wing, Liberal metropolitan types who are typically "woke". Then you have working class voters who would usually vote Labour but are still fairly social Conservative and think "woke" is nonsense.

How do you keep those two factions happy at the same time? I don't see you can.

Catsdrool · 07/07/2022 12:35

I do think a lot of labour supporters are thick. If they weren’t, they’d see that their highly irritating, no debate attitude towards people who think differently from them is not going to change anyones mind. theres an absolute lack of willingness to even attempt to debate especially on MN