Are Tory voters that stupid?

[StoneofDestiny]

Listening to Tory after Tory coming on TV this morning and almost every one has mentioned Jeremy Corbyn as the fear factor in voting Labour at the next election. Seriously - is that the best argument they have got to steer the public disgust at this government's behaviour away from them?

I honestly think I would burst out laughing if someone said they were still voting Tory after all this.

People vote Tory to protect their own interests. Repeatedly calling them stupid won't persuade them otherwise, as we saw at the last GE.

I'm politically homeless and always have been - I'm a swing voter and genuinely vote each time based on the policies presented (which I'm aware are often upfront lies to obtain votes, but what else can I do) and how they work for me at that time in my life, and my overarching values.

Calling those who voted in Tories stupid isn't going to fix this shit show and is not helpful, or, clever. I appreciate you are angry and this government is not what you, yourself, voted for or would have chosen. But lets get some perspective. I didn't vote Tory in the last 2 elections (just so you know..). I voted Labour in 2010 and then Lib Dem at the last election. I also voted Remain.

However, a LOT of people really did swing their vote the other way in the last election due to Labour's choice of leader. Corbyn was simply not a good frontman for the party and represented a lot of left wing hyperbole that more centralist voters (with nowhere to place their vote) really did dislike. His manifesto was pure lunacy in some aspects. So, not all those that didn't vote Labour "because of Corbyn" did so because they're stupid.

FWIW, I really don't mind Starmer at all and if it did come to a general election I'd quite happily place my vote there this time round. ..... Although, I do wish they'd settle their minds on what a "woman" is. If they could get a backbone and come out with that prior to an election I'm quietly confident they'd do very well.

That's how you'll get people to swing to the left, call them stupid..hows that going for you?

Obviously your frothing so much you did not read what I said when I stated "LAYING THE FOUNDATIONS". 🙄

This - even to voting Lib Dem last time round.

also politics isn’t as simple as left or right, there are a lot of people who sit more in the centre and err one way or the other. As soon as the policies go too far in one direction you alienate a large amount of voters.

Accusing someone else of frothing is rather undermined when you scream in all-caps, hon. And you didn't actually address my point.

I don’t think they are stupid they’ve just got different priorities and different circumstances.

I heaved a sigh of relief when Starmer came out of the gate saying he understood why Labour lost so many seats. That he could see how voters lost faith and were alienated by a Momentum fuelled labour.

Brilliant, I thought. Here come the grown ups. But the whole of the Labour party is still a toxic mess and a strategy of simply waiting for the Tories to fall means that we might see a snap election with an opposition party who's most notable policies is picking out those people they don't want to vote for them.

It's complete bollocks. Can we not just have a left of centre option that isn't a Trojan horse for faith based politics and puritanism?

People vote Tory to protect their own interests.

Only rich Tory donors voters' interests are protected by the party. They don't give a fuck about anyone else.

If we get a new government, they will only spend the next 5 years blaming the Tory’s, when nothing really changes, ( inflation will come down naturally)

They definitely are. They will all blow smoke up the arse of a new leader conveniently forgetting the majority of the party was complicit in all it's failings, vote them in again and continue to whine when they destroy the UK further. All while whining about the exact Brexit they voted for.

FWIW i'm also politically homeless. I don't trust ANY of them, but Labour and Cons are toe top of the don't trust list for me.

Nobody I know likes Sir Keir Starmer . Mind you, most of my friends family and colleagues are all conservative voters, so it's not surprising really ! ( I'm not one myself)
I think the LP will really struggle with him at the helm though , he hasn't any charisma and people are not keen on him or his deputy.
The ones I know who vote Conservative are not rich or privileged, just normal working people who like their policies and had parents who also voted for them too ( mostly)
A few are gutted that Boris Johnson is leaving.

I genuinely never see anything where Labour voters are insulted or called stupid. It seems to me that it's only some Labour supporters who insult people who disagree with them. Don't see any insults from the Lib Dem fans either.

Depends where you look. Being a Labour supprter on twitter during the Corbyn era wasn't exactly fun and games. (Not that I was one.)

This.

Same. I know one who genuinely voted for Brexit "because it might make a nice change, we'll see what happens". Now royally screwed themselves over as a result, business-wise.

I don't WANT a PM with "charisma" as their main selling point. Charismatic politicians are usually self involved narcissists with no integrity. BoJo allegedly has "charisma" - what does that tell you?

I like Starmer. I think he has integrity and I think he knows what he's doing.

I'm gender critical and disagree with Labour's stance there but there are bigger things for me, and the party needs gender critical members. There is plenty of gender criticism within its ranks.

Are Labour so stupid that they can't offer a credible alternative to the Conservative Party?

I thought Keir Starmer would turn things around. Turns out he thinks that saying "only women have a cervix" is a heinous act of transphobia. So no, I am not going to vote for a party that is not capable of recognising biological sex. I am not voting for a party that cannot comprehend the problems that arise when we allow the word 'woman' to become meaningless under the law. I am not going to vote for my daughter's rights to be removed accidentally, because Labour were too shortsighted and afraid of critical thinking to interrogate the issues.

If I vote Tory at the next election, it will be wholly because of what the current Labour Party under Starmer stands for. Corbyn is irrelevant.

Aye yeah, Jeremy Corbyn. Hes the reason we now have security tags on fucking blocks of cheese in the supermarket.

Can someone please explain what exactly was so “terrifying” about Corbyn?

@EdgeOfACoin, one week after KS said that, PM Johnson also refused to say that only women have a cervix. The actual Prime Minister. The one in power.

It didn't attract that much attention. Why?

Are Labour so stupid that they can't offer a credible alternative to the Conservative Party?

At the moment they're polling enough to either win an outright majority or comfortably form a coaltion.

Maybe that will change if a new tory leader decides to somehow not be as shit as the last three, but there is an argument to be made that Labour is doing 'enough'... for now. Really it'll come down to the cost of living crisis which, whether anyone likes it or not, is out of their hands.

Tony Blair had charisma by the bucket load and look where that got us?