Are Tory voters that stupid?

[StoneofDestiny]

Listening to Tory after Tory coming on TV this morning and almost every one has mentioned Jeremy Corbyn as the fear factor in voting Labour at the next election. Seriously - is that the best argument they have got to steer the public disgust at this government's behaviour away from them?

I've just asked Keir/Labour what they intend to do about the cost of freight rising a 1000%😂

Economics wins elections, and no party in the UK can solve the global aftershocks of covid.

Meh, I'm not a policitican - I don't have to pretend I don't think certain voters are stupid. That's my prerogative as an ordinary chump with no ambitions for office.

But you realise when you join the chorus that you are batting for the Tories? Is that your desired outcome?

Moral superiority is the drug of choice for the modern leftie and like most addicts they are incredibly egotistical, they have such an unshakeable belief they are right about everything that they feel no need to listen to alternative perspectives. The tendency to insult those who disagree with them is all part of the same self righteous delusion.

I voted for the libdems back in the mid 90's when they said they would increase income tax to pay for public services and I was a junior staff nurse, so not on a high income. I was an active union member and rep for many years. I'd put my politics firmly left of centre, my beliefs haven't changed but left wing politics has and I want nothing to do with the authoritarian bullies represented on this thread.

Currently I am politically homeless but would not rule out voting conservative in the future and why wouldn't I, the left demand I meet their standard of ideological purity in order to be welcome. The problem is that few people can meet the standard demanded so they will seek a new political home, there will be a backlash to this bullying and it will make the current conservatives look cuddly.

Agree entirely with this. Why is there no general level of listening and comprehending political points now?

What's the point of a goady thread started by a questionable OP? 'lack of critical thinking' seems to be the insult de jour but so ably demonstrated by the people lamenting it.

Problem is labour give the impression that it will be raining bags of gold if there in .
The money has to come from somewhere we already take between 40 and 50 % off people who earn large salaries how can we take more.
As for levelling up poverty gap why shouldn't a surgeon have a luxury lifestyle compared with someone who works 16 hours at tesco

For the record I voted Lib dem

Still won't get the Labour party in power though but never mind eh?

well, some are, not as bright as others, but that goes for the whole electorate whoever they vote for.

A lot of people are busy surviving and do not have time to critically weigh up who is best. nor the enerrgy to care as it is shit for them whoever is in while they are in the bottom decile for income.

some ideologically believe in conservatism but may not have noticed or cared about the change in directyion in the party over recent years.

people vote like their family voted,

people have not been educated in how to assess news and events, through no fault of their own. If you don't know that you need this skill you are not going to seek it out. we all have biases. and tend to seek news from places we like and make us comfortable so we do not necessarily hear an opposing view point.

I see them as more uncaring than stupid, voting for themselves rather than the good of the majority of the country, but then again I really don't see why they thought it a good idea in any case to vote Tory the last 2 elections. I know a lot of people who voted Tory because "Brexit!"
I say this as someone who is personally better off financially (in general) under the Tories, but have and never will vote for the scumbags. My conscience wouldn't let me.

It's not my job to convert people and I'm not trying to, but I'm flattered you think I have that much of an impact.

"We voted a certain way because people called us stupid" has always been a wildly overstated political motivator anyway.

Is the self satisfaction of moral purity more seductive than the opportunity to achieve power, power Labour believe is necessary for the well being of the country?

I didn’t think Tory voters who voted for Major/Cameron/May et al were stupid. I disagree with them politically but can understand their rationale.

I do think people who voted for Boris Johnson expecting it to end well are stupid and the country is suffering very real consequences

its bullshit to say you vote Tory because Labour hurt your feelings. If you’re not racist or elitist then the cap doesn’t fit and you shouldn’t be feigning outrage over name-calling.

I don’t like the Tory Party because they’re a bunch of selfish wankers, not because they denigrate me and my kind for being ‘woke’.

Sticks and stones and all that

Absolutely.

Calling people who vote differently from you "stupid" is just one of the many things that is wrong with politics today.

This again…

completely agree, you’d honestly have to be as thick as shit to think that this sort of ‘if you don’t vote the way i want you to then you are stupid’ attitude is the way forward

As a lifelong tory voter all I can say is I am not stupid.although you may beg to differ thats fine. I admit Boris was always going to end badly.however I didnt vote for him personally. I voted for the Conservative policies which have always appealed to me than the oposition ones have. It is far bigger than one individual. Many of us feel the party suits our values and aims and we support the standing they have on many economic issues etc. Boris is gone,and I am glad,He has caused untold damage but its not over by a long chalk for the Conservative Party. I look forward to seeing what can and should be achieved when they are back on a firmer footing.

Some of you seem to have trouble undestanding this so I'll say more clearly: I'm not a party political strategist, MP or activist and I have no inclination to dance around what I perceive to be the intellectual failings of others. If you think that makes me the fool because I've somehow cost the opposition the next election then fine, go nuts thinking that.

Because not everyone thinks the same as you
It's called a Democracy, insulting people because they don't vote the same as you is never going to win votes

Isn’t this attitude and calling people stupid the reason polls are now often wrong and so many were shocked by the Brexit vote? People just keep quiet on how they are going to vote and being told they are stupid but no giving reason to vote elsewhere is not going to help.

I've only ever voted Labour, although I don't think I could do so again, the way things stand. It's interesting you assume that only racists and elitists have a dog in the fight of a reasonable political sphere that can be more useful than hurling shit at one another.

As others have said, I'm a swing voter.

On a local level, the Tory MP has done far far more for our area than her labour predecessor did. She's also helped families in need far more than he ever did.

I've voted Tory, Lib Dem and Green Party. I don't have an alliance to any one party.

As it stands, in my opinion, we need a true centre party. One that doesn't hold people to ideological belief that if they don't follow wholesale they'll be alienated. One that knows what a woman is and will protect our rights and spaces.

Right now, I'm politically homeless.

However, if I have to vote on fear of death for example, it would still be for the Tory party. Not because I'm "thick" but rather because whilst they're a shit show, they do actually have some policies that they'll discuss, they seem to understand what a woman is, and they don't have knee jerk of "you disagree with me so you're a thick, racist transphobe" which a lot of other party supporters (if not the party themselves) seem more than happy to throw at us.

Politics is fucking toxic at the moment, and my vote would be for whichever party goes through the next election with a catchphrase of "we don't care what the other parties are saying, these are our policies, this is a woman, and we won't engage in bunfights"

Did anyone point out he isn't even leader of Labour anymore.

Fucking knobs

Indeed. It's like people have forgotten why we have a "private ballot" . It's to stop all this mud slinging and repercussions for voting.

The world would be a better place if it went back to a truly private ballot and everyone stopped arguing about who their Aunt and 2nd cousin voted for and calling them a commie, a leftist, a stupid Tory, a selfish Tory.

It's a private ballot for a reason 🫤

I never ever state who I vote for, it's nobodies business, it's a private ballot. I never then get drawn in to all these arguments or interrogated. Life is easier.

No, this is incorrect. Polls are often, especially today, highly accurate and the 'shy tory' is all but a myth.

It's also wrong to say polls didn't predict brexit. Weeks out they said it wouldn't happen, then it got closer and closer until, with days to go, they finally said it was too close to call. They were right.

Swing voter here too.

Shamed to admit in RL I also Tory to avoid Corbyn because of policy.

I voted Johnson because he seemed to believe Brexit could be done (I was a remainder but accept we lost).

I would vote Labour with Starmer in charge which I think makes me a minority.

I've also voted for Tory locally before because until he retired out councillor was amazing. Despite that meaning we got stuck with Braverman again.

I'm aware that it's a democracy and we all have different viewpoints. 🤔 The only thing close to insulting I've said is "uncaring", which is justified when you look at how a lot of the country are now living.
I'm not trying to win voters over or change other people's minds, I answered a question anonymously. If you want to vote Tory go ahead. I think it's a poor decision, but it's not mine to make.