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To hope Johnson doesn't resign?

999 replies

LonelyPlanetGirI · 05/07/2022 18:51

Because if he clings on until the next GE, he'll be completely unelectable and we'll be rid of the Tories.

I'm hoping he digs his heels in just like he always has, even though by rights he should be fucking off with his tail between his legs.

OP posts:
Roussette · 08/07/2022 21:10

IT IS HORRIBLE

Here we are. This is on a Mums Forum and our Education Secretary gives the middle finger.

This is what we are reduced to. Thanks Boris. Hope all you Tories are happy with what you have voted for.

twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1545486218808492033

Meraas · 08/07/2022 21:13

Clavinova · 08/07/2022 20:57

AmaryIlis
Starmer committed no crime and he followed the guidance. Clearly the Durham CPS agree with Wagner.

Adam Wagner acknowledged that Keir Starmer didn't follow the guidance - i.e. what he should have done if he was following the published advice for constituency visits at the time.

Were they not supposed to eat at any time?

Blossomtoes · 08/07/2022 21:26

Roussette · 08/07/2022 21:10

IT IS HORRIBLE

Here we are. This is on a Mums Forum and our Education Secretary gives the middle finger.

This is what we are reduced to. Thanks Boris. Hope all you Tories are happy with what you have voted for.

twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1545486218808492033

It’s hard to say which of them is the most childish - Dorries or Jenkyns. I hope the pair of them lose their seats in the next GE.

AmaryIlis · 08/07/2022 22:17

Clavinova · 08/07/2022 20:57

AmaryIlis
Starmer committed no crime and he followed the guidance. Clearly the Durham CPS agree with Wagner.

Adam Wagner acknowledged that Keir Starmer didn't follow the guidance - i.e. what he should have done if he was following the published advice for constituency visits at the time.

What on earth are you still arguing about this for? He committed no crime. Full stop.

ApplesandBunions · 08/07/2022 22:20

Blossomtoes · 08/07/2022 21:26

It’s hard to say which of them is the most childish - Dorries or Jenkyns. I hope the pair of them lose their seats in the next GE.

Jenkyns, deffo. Giving the finger is primary school, whereas Nadine's whole energy is infatuated teenager. I'd say there's about three or four years between the two of them, mentally.

AmaryIlis · 08/07/2022 22:21

Clavinova · 08/07/2022 20:57

AmaryIlis
Starmer committed no crime and he followed the guidance. Clearly the Durham CPS agree with Wagner.

Adam Wagner acknowledged that Keir Starmer didn't follow the guidance - i.e. what he should have done if he was following the published advice for constituency visits at the time.

Any thoughts about a Prime Minister who knowingly appointed someone with a history of sexual assaults to a position where he had power and influence over Junior MPs and then, when the person in question committed further assaults, lied about it several times? And who wasn't even going to take the whip away from that person until pressurised to do so?

jgw1 · 08/07/2022 22:55

Rabbitholedigger · 08/07/2022 18:43

Am I the only one that doesn't give a fuck if he ate a bit of cake and drank. So did Starmer and I don't give a fuck about that either.

We are beyond that time, Russia has invaded Ukraine and there's a global economic crisis due to the pandemic and the war.

And yet parliament tried to dissolve itself for their own gain, they've ousted a PM who was front and central in the European war.

I'm disgusted with it all. All the hair splitting. We are living today.

You are aware @Rabbitholedigger that the PM has been paid an awful lot of money by Putin's cronies to be where he is?

PerkingFaintly · 08/07/2022 22:55

What on earth...? Shock

I've just seen that clip of the Education Minister turning round to give the middle finger to the public while walking into Downing Street.

Are they competing with Johnson for most inappropriate behaviour?

Are they so lost in the anarchic atmosphere of No 10 that this now passes for normal behaviour from the Tory cabinet?

PerkingFaintly · 08/07/2022 23:00

What on earth are you still arguing about this for?

To attempt to turn a thread about the disgraceful behaviour of the current Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, and his Conservative Party cabinet, into a thread about the opposition no matter what.

Any old nonsense will do.

Just because they're trying to throw you a ball, doesn't mean you have to catch it.

AmaryIlis · 08/07/2022 23:01

I have a mental picture of teachers all around the country saying "Yes, I know the Education Minister did that, it doesn't mean you have to copy her".

Rabbitholedigger · 08/07/2022 23:05

Yes @jgw1

I want to move on. He's gone. Now what? We are in dire straits.

If there isn't someone half decent taking over for the next two years and the opposition needs to pull its finger out of its butt as well in the meantime....I don't know im flailing around. I just want to see some hope!

jgw1 · 08/07/2022 23:10

Rabbitholedigger · 08/07/2022 23:05

Yes @jgw1

I want to move on. He's gone. Now what? We are in dire straits.

If there isn't someone half decent taking over for the next two years and the opposition needs to pull its finger out of its butt as well in the meantime....I don't know im flailing around. I just want to see some hope!

Who's gone?

It might be a good idea to stop voting for self interested bigots.

Rabbitholedigger · 08/07/2022 23:24

Boris has? Or will be

Fifteentoes · 08/07/2022 23:24

If the Tories have any sense they will forget the same old candidates and find someone fresh who will move us on from all the culture war bollocks and come up with some decent policies to unite the country.

They can't do that, while being Tories, though.

The Tories exist to protect and further the interests of the ruling class. They can only do that and also have even the slightest pretence of uniting the country in a context of generous, sustained economic expansion. That is: if the pie is getting bigger, the ruling class's share can get bigger or at least no smaller, while enough other peoples' share also gets bigger to create the sense of a shared, mutually beneficial endeavour.

That sustained economic expansion is not going to happen for a raft of reasons, some of them the fault of the Tory party some much larger. Brexit. Ukraine. Runaway inflation. Horrendous international energy prices. And the biggest two of all: Climate change (which will disproportionately affect poorer countries, require committed socialised government action to address, and require the widespread relinquishing of some material comforts by individual citizens) and the slow death of capitalism itself, presaged by the 2008 crash from which the world has never recovered.

There is literally no way forward for the majority of the country that doesn't involve redistribution of wealth and power away from the richest (ie the antithesis of Toryism). The Tories know this, which is one reason why they are becoming increasingly divisive and culture war-obsessed. There are going to have to be ever greater sections of society that are discarded from consideration and shat upon, left to starve and freeze, for the living standards of the others to be kept just high enough to keep them voting Tory. So those discarded social groups need to be villified enough to absolve the others of guilt (why should we fund a welfare state when the real reason people don't have enough to eat is just that they're lazy). It also helps if they're prevented from voting, hence the various electoral shananigans.

jgw1 · 08/07/2022 23:42

Rabbitholedigger · 08/07/2022 23:24

Boris has? Or will be

Oh right, I thought you were suggesting he already had. As far as I can tell he is still Prime Minister and has many more scandals left in him.

DuncinToffee · 09/07/2022 00:11

He has already started by giving his loyal supporters ministerial jobs with a pay rise and a 3 month severance payment when they will get dismissed..

Rabbitholedigger · 09/07/2022 00:36

@jgw1

No as far as I can see he has not resigned, despite what's being reported.

Booklover3 · 09/07/2022 00:49

Ffs… who are these people who are deluded in regard to Jonson and why? Why does he inspire this insipid blind following?

I just don’t get it.

itsgettingweird · 09/07/2022 05:35

AmaryIlis · 08/07/2022 23:01

I have a mental picture of teachers all around the country saying "Yes, I know the Education Minister did that, it doesn't mean you have to copy her".

🤣🤣🤣🤣

I work special Ed with lots of pupils with semh struggles.

I get flicked the finger a lot - I see it as a better alternative to when they're calling me a fucking cunt Grin

Roussette · 09/07/2022 06:45

Fifteentoes

Interesting post. On this... It also helps if they're prevented from voting, hence the various electoral shananigans... just this morning I woke to an email from my District Council asking me to verify who lives here for voting and in it, it said about voter ID to vote.
It is literally a ruse to discourage certain members of society from voting. Last election I think there was just TWO incidents of voter fraud so going down this route is really really not needed.
There are hundreds of thousands without a passport or driving licence. And yes, they can apply for an ID card to enable them to vote, but you have to jump through hoops to get it. So they just won't vote.

jgw1 · 09/07/2022 07:14

Rabbitholedigger · 09/07/2022 00:36

@jgw1

No as far as I can see he has not resigned, despite what's being reported.

It is very confusing @Rabbitholedigger because a poster was suggesting someone had gone somwhere.

SueSaid · 09/07/2022 07:56

'It is very confusing Rabbitholedigger because a poster was suggesting someone had gone somwhere.'

You think he should've resigned as leader of the party and vanished there and then? Waiting for a replacement is the norm. May stayed a few weeks. Does the very sight of him make you panic or something?

jgw1 · 09/07/2022 08:04

SueSaid · 09/07/2022 07:56

'It is very confusing Rabbitholedigger because a poster was suggesting someone had gone somwhere.'

You think he should've resigned as leader of the party and vanished there and then? Waiting for a replacement is the norm. May stayed a few weeks. Does the very sight of him make you panic or something?

@JaniieJones What would be the result if a headteacher or hospital executive had been accused of protecting someone who had committed sexual offences?
Would they be staying in post until a replacement could be found?

Piggywaspushed · 09/07/2022 08:08

I think it is even bigger than that jgw. It is covering up multiple times a culture of sexual misdemeanours , bullying and boozing. Many many leaders in many walks of life would be summarily marched off the premises. Headteachers would be stripped of their right to teach.

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