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To hope Johnson doesn't resign?

999 replies

LonelyPlanetGirI · 05/07/2022 18:51

Because if he clings on until the next GE, he'll be completely unelectable and we'll be rid of the Tories.

I'm hoping he digs his heels in just like he always has, even though by rights he should be fucking off with his tail between his legs.

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Summerwhereareyou · 08/07/2022 19:51
  • however, what I do feel is horrendous and it's infuriating thst this gets pushed to the sidelines because of party gate is the old folk pushed into nursing homes without COVID check.

I knew of this from a relative work in one and immediately I knew that was wrong.

Why on earth it wasn't an instant alarm bells i don't know.

Someone must be held to account over that.

itsgettingweird · 08/07/2022 19:55

'And yet parliament tried to dissolve itself for their own gain, they've ousted a PM who was front and central in the European war.'

The PM who admitted to the 1922 committee that he's giving away our military artillery quicker than we are able to replenish it through manufacture.

He's giving it to Ukraine to defend themselves against Russia (I agree we should support) - whilst Russia is threatening London first if they decide to go beyond Ukraine.

If you want to be involved in good political debate you need to look beyond the semantics of what leaders say. It was proven in that meeting the Johnson's Ukraine weapons giveaway could be leaving is vulnerable right now and music more so in the future.

Rabbitholedigger · 08/07/2022 19:56

The MSM are working overtime on Sunak.

NO!

It's time this ends. Switch the fuckers off and get tweeting, emailing your MPs ETC. The next leader must not be due to MSM influence. It's about US

Cornettoninja · 08/07/2022 20:00

Re: the court ruling on care homes, the most I’ve found is a statement from a nameless government spokesperson.

That was it. That was the governments acknowledgement of what they did.

www.gponline.com/doctors-condemn-government-covid-19-care-home-discharge-policy-ruled-unlawful/article/1754258

SleeplessInEngland · 08/07/2022 20:02

Lol, now Peter Bone has been given a ministerial job, no doubt to be fired when a new pm is chosen and given a nice cabinet redundancy fee. It’s an expensive business letting Johnson look after his buddies as the sun goes down.

itsgettingweird · 08/07/2022 20:02

Rabbitholedigger · 08/07/2022 19:56

The MSM are working overtime on Sunak.

NO!

It's time this ends. Switch the fuckers off and get tweeting, emailing your MPs ETC. The next leader must not be due to MSM influence. It's about US

I would but it's Braverman. Grin

She may think if I tell her to stop the msm endorsing Sunak that I'm suggesting she should get it.

And he'll will freeze over before I ever give that woman my vote!

Clavinova · 08/07/2022 20:13

Isitsixoclockalready
The level of false equivalence by some on here is laughable

Keir Starmer has quite clearly told some lies about the meeting in Durham - it's not as if he won't be reminded in the run up to the next general election. And he was in Jeremy Corbyn's cabinet until the end - other Labour MPs deserted Corbyn long before Starmer did.

HarrietPierce · 08/07/2022 20:18

Isitsixoclockalready ·
"The level of false equivalence by some on here is laughable."
Yes, It's utterly pathetic.

Clavinova · 08/07/2022 20:23

itsgettingweird
Johnson himself admitted that the drinking culture on no 10 was bad at 1922 the other day.

I thought he meant Westminster in general.

Mary Foy, the Labour MP involved in the Durham investigation was drunk in a House of Commons bar a few months ago;

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10765041/Labour-MP-launched-drunken-tirade-against-Tory-asking-review-Starmers-lockdown-beers.html

Notonthestairs · 08/07/2022 20:26

Given the Cabinet stood by Johnson through the shenanigans involving care homes, Paterson, partygate, corruption, lies to Parliament, the Russia report, meetings with Lebedev, wallpaper £££ and on & on none of them come out well.

AmaryIlis · 08/07/2022 20:27

Clavinova · 08/07/2022 19:35

AmaryIlis
Clavinova, do tell us about your law degree and why you are more qualified to tell us about the law than Adam Wagner, barrister of 15 years' call, leading authority on Covid law, Specialist Advisor to Parliament’s Joint Committee Inquiry into the government’s response to the pandemic?

I don't need to - I have already shown that Keir Starmer clearly lied in his account of what happened in Durham - whether he technically broke the law or not doesn't really matter to me.

I've read some of Adam Wagner's tweets - including the one where Wagner acknowledged that Keir Starmer's team and the Durham team had not followed the guidance for constituency office visits at the time (the guidance notes advised no indoor meetings etc.) - although it was someone else who sent Wagner a copy of the published notes on Twitter. Perhaps Starmer was embarrassed about not following the guidance and he told a few lies to cover it up?

And none of your painstaking researches is of any relevance whatsoever. Starmer committed no crime and he followed the guidance. Clearly the Durham CPS agree with Wagner.

Roussette · 08/07/2022 20:36

And none of your painstaking researches is of any relevance whatsoever. Starmer committed no crime and he followed the guidance. Clearly the Durham CPS agree with Wagner

The end. Give it up. This is it

Rabbitholedigger · 08/07/2022 20:37

"The end. Give it up. This is it"

PLEASE!!! Let's move on! We are in the myre, not the politicians.

AmaryIlis · 08/07/2022 20:37

Clavinova · 08/07/2022 19:43

AmaryIlis
So Starmer couldn't remember precise details

What happened to Keir Starmer's fabled forensic attention to detail? It's not as if he didn't know he was going to be asked questions about the Durham meeting.

Don't be disingenuous, you aren't fooling anyone. You know perfectly well that there is a difference between attention to detail in mastering a brief and pointlessly remembering every detail of one everything he did every moment of every day several months earlier including one evening when he had a working curry with his work colleagues fully in compliance with the rules.

Unless you are seriously contending that, on the day in question, he knew that several months later the Mail and the Tories were going to be so desperate to distract attention from their hero's imminent electoral failures that they would try to get him prosecuted?

Blossomtoes · 08/07/2022 20:39

Regardless of your Miss Marple impersonation and insistence that you know better, Durham police has investigated this twice and have found there’s no evidence to prosecute. Just get over it.

AmaryIlis · 08/07/2022 20:41

However in reality they are not his rules that he has thought up and drafted!!his medical team did that and told him to relay the message on auto cue.

No, they didn't. They're not Parliamentary draftsmen. They were asked by the government to advise on what precautions were necessary and did so, various government departments formulated them into rules, regulations and guidance. If the PM didn't understand them, he wasn't fit to be PM. But then, we knew that.

Rabbitholedigger · 08/07/2022 20:44

Ffs beer curry cake wine tree fucking houses.

How on Earth is raking and arguing over this now, today, helping us. I mean US. We are the ones enduring this global crisis shit. They arent.

I want to lobby to get a decent leader in. I was going to join the Tory party so I could vote but apparently I have to wait 3 months so I'm going on SM as are a lot of others. @ the MPs and keep doing it. It's all we can do but it's better than nothing

AmaryIlis · 08/07/2022 20:44

Clavinova · 08/07/2022 20:13

Isitsixoclockalready
The level of false equivalence by some on here is laughable

Keir Starmer has quite clearly told some lies about the meeting in Durham - it's not as if he won't be reminded in the run up to the next general election. And he was in Jeremy Corbyn's cabinet until the end - other Labour MPs deserted Corbyn long before Starmer did.

You seem to have forgotten to answer my query, @Clavinova. How do you feel about Johnson's lies about Pincher? And indeed about his conduct generally around that appointment?

If, just once, you could answer without a pointless "Look over there" attempt, it would be awfully nice.

AmaryIlis · 08/07/2022 20:47

Johnson himself admitted that the drinking culture on no 10 was bad at 1922 the other day.

I thought he meant Westminster in general.

No, you didn't, @Clavinova. Once again, you're fooling no-one.

ApplesandBunions · 08/07/2022 20:52

HarrietPierce · 08/07/2022 20:18

Isitsixoclockalready ·
"The level of false equivalence by some on here is laughable."
Yes, It's utterly pathetic.

It's been one of my favourite things about this whole situation.

the80sweregreat · 08/07/2022 20:52

Oh if only the LP would also have a leadership contest too and everyone have this mythical ' fresh start '
All what went on won't go away and this beer gate thing will be beating K S over the head forever ( along with the savill thing too from his old job , as the daily Mail don't do really facts about things when it suits them )
Plus most people i know don't like or trust him
Every thing could do with a huge shake up because things are going to be really tough this winter time :(

Rabbitholedigger · 08/07/2022 20:54

"Every thing could do with a huge shake up because things are going to be really tough this winter time :("

Yep! Incredibly tough.

I don't want to see any quitters who let us down, and they did, back in parliament. I want to see fresh politicians not the old boys club

Clavinova · 08/07/2022 20:57

AmaryIlis
Starmer committed no crime and he followed the guidance. Clearly the Durham CPS agree with Wagner.

Adam Wagner acknowledged that Keir Starmer didn't follow the guidance - i.e. what he should have done if he was following the published advice for constituency visits at the time.

the80sweregreat · 08/07/2022 21:03

It's sad that they didn't get a fine.
If I saw what was coming this autumn I'd want an excuse to resign as well !
Whoever wants these jobs must be mad . It's not going to be pretty at all especially with fuel and everything going up at the rate of knots
It's going to be horrible

HarrietPierce · 08/07/2022 21:06

Clavinova , just dry your eyes and give it a rest now. You are fooling no one.