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To hope Johnson doesn't resign?

999 replies

LonelyPlanetGirI · 05/07/2022 18:51

Because if he clings on until the next GE, he'll be completely unelectable and we'll be rid of the Tories.

I'm hoping he digs his heels in just like he always has, even though by rights he should be fucking off with his tail between his legs.

OP posts:
Cornettoninja · 08/07/2022 13:26

Summerwhereareyou · 08/07/2022 13:19

The mental gymnastics must be exhausting for those who just hate people because they have done something or belong to a political party they don't like.

Especially over a figure like Cummings 😂

I don’t hate anyone who hasn’t held themselves up publicly for judgement (and there’s very few I actually hate). Grimly fascinated, but I don’t hate anyone.

Roussette · 08/07/2022 13:32

Summerwhereareyou · 08/07/2022 13:20

Rousstte but did he personally request and organise it?

I'e big dog 🐕?

Irrelevant. At all the 'gatherings' he attended (and yes there were more than the birthday gathering) he could've stood at the door and said 'this is not on, can you disperse please'.
Are you saying - in your question - he doesn't have the strength of character to have a will of his own?

Roussette · 08/07/2022 13:34

Cornettoninja · 08/07/2022 13:26

I don’t hate anyone who hasn’t held themselves up publicly for judgement (and there’s very few I actually hate). Grimly fascinated, but I don’t hate anyone.

Who has mentioned 'hate' up till now? No one. I don't hate because hating someone is so destructive, it does more to the person hating than it should.

DuncinToffee · 08/07/2022 13:36

It wasn't about cake, it was about breaking the laws, laws Johnson signed off and announced on tv urging us all to obey those laws. And then he lied and lied about it and so did his frontbenchers..

126 FPN's, first sitting PM to be fined for breaking the law.

But continue with it was only cake, sandwiches, soft drink, 5 seconds....

Summerwhereareyou · 08/07/2022 13:37

I would only imagine that at this level of politics, our pm has bigger things to occupy their time.

Whoever manages his time/diary and others who manage him I would expect to research and know the rules.

I can't imagine biden having to gen up on the lastest covid guidance.

Having said that I also would never have imagined the pm to be left alone with covid either?
Again I can't imagine that happening to biden in the White House or even Macron who had a personal pen wiper.
So maybe the type of politics in the UK does require the pm to be involved in minutiae of the day?

Maybe if so this is something that can be addressed as we go forward.

Summerwhereareyou · 08/07/2022 13:39

Rousstte some posters are always spitting venom about the evil Tories! And their dum thick stupid ( White van man doesn't know what's best for him) supporters... brain washed by the fail.
They may not specifically use the word hate but it's there in the inference and tone of the post's.

Roussette · 08/07/2022 13:41

I don't actually totally understand your last post Summer

I think (and only think) you are saying someone should've told him he shouldn't be doing this or that, and so he bears no personal responsibility for his actions because we don't have people doing that for our PM?

Correct me if I'm wrong. And he has a brain and should therefore have an understanding of what is right and what is wrong.

Blossomtoes · 08/07/2022 13:42

SleeplessInEngland · 08/07/2022 12:35

Starmer cleared by the police. The MSN/remainer anti-boris conspiracy rolls on! 😆

They couldn’t really do anything else after failing to prosecute Cummings.

DuncinToffee · 08/07/2022 13:43

You can't imagine politicians sticking to the law or have I misunderstood?

Roussette · 08/07/2022 13:43

Summerwhereareyou · 08/07/2022 13:39

Rousstte some posters are always spitting venom about the evil Tories! And their dum thick stupid ( White van man doesn't know what's best for him) supporters... brain washed by the fail.
They may not specifically use the word hate but it's there in the inference and tone of the post's.

As it is for the Labour party illustrated by derogatory terms continually, stupid names, Corbyn Corbyn Corbyn, Sir Beer, lefty press, socialists, blah blah blah.

The other side of the coin.

ApplesandBunions · 08/07/2022 13:46

Blossomtoes · 08/07/2022 13:42

They couldn’t really do anything else after failing to prosecute Cummings.

Quite.

HarrietPierce · 08/07/2022 13:56

"They couldn’t really do anything else after failing to prosecute Cummings."

But the point is the law was not broken . He and his team were campaigning for the Hartlepool by election and miles from London in the Labour Durham constituency office. At 10 Pm they stopped working to have a takeaway not a party.

SleeplessInEngland · 08/07/2022 14:01

The moment starmer said he'd resign if fined it was all but a given that he wouldn't be. A cautious lawyer wouldn't be that reckless with his future. He's not boris johnson after all.

DuncinToffee · 08/07/2022 14:03

Nothing to do with Cummings, no laws were broken

Durham Police say Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner had "no case to answer" as their gathering last year was "reasonably necessary for work."

Isitsixoclockalready · 08/07/2022 14:03

So Keir is cleared - what a surprise. The best efforts of the right wing press to create some kind of false equivalence has fallen flat.

DuncinToffee · 08/07/2022 14:04

Flashback: CCHQ declared beergate was the most successful political operation in its recent history a few months back.

twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1545373319901417473?t=gMhrhFqew6rDlRORCde8_Q&s=19

Lefty media, I hear?

Roussette · 08/07/2022 14:06

HarrietPierce · 08/07/2022 13:56

"They couldn’t really do anything else after failing to prosecute Cummings."

But the point is the law was not broken . He and his team were campaigning for the Hartlepool by election and miles from London in the Labour Durham constituency office. At 10 Pm they stopped working to have a takeaway not a party.

And carried on work after. They monitored the activity afterwards and spreadsheets, speeches and notes were updated right up till 1am

DuncinToffee · 08/07/2022 14:20

A reminder that partygate isn't over yet

Robert Peston
By the way, the Commons Privileges Committee investigation into whether Boris Johnson knowingly lied to MPs when he said there were no parties and no rule breaking in 10 Downing St continues even though he is resigning and would also continue if he stood down as an MP. The…
only thing that could stop it would be if MPs voted in favour of a motion tabled by government under a new prime minister, and it is very unlikely any new PM would want to be seen to be undermining due process by doing that. So Johnson’s exit does not end his #partgate nightmare

twitter.com/Peston/status/1545385703856607234?t=mbvz7PXWj-vquw6bL64crg&s=19

Roussette · 08/07/2022 14:22

Good.

He went to SIX parties

ApplesandBunions · 08/07/2022 14:26

HarrietPierce · 08/07/2022 13:56

"They couldn’t really do anything else after failing to prosecute Cummings."

But the point is the law was not broken . He and his team were campaigning for the Hartlepool by election and miles from London in the Labour Durham constituency office. At 10 Pm they stopped working to have a takeaway not a party.

Absolutely, but even if they had been, Durham chose not to fine for a clear breach by Dominic Cummings when he went for his Barnard Castle jaunt. That one wasn't even a shade of grey. Obviously that makes the bleating about this all the more laughable though.

SleeplessInEngland · 08/07/2022 14:28

Another poll conducted the day before johnson resigned:

LAB: 45% (+2)
CON: 31% (-4)
LDEM: 11% (-)
GRN: 3% (+1)

via @ Survation
06 Jul

Of course these polls don't mean much until a new leader has settled in and a direction established but fucking hell, talk about a football manager taking over disaster of a team.

SueSaid · 08/07/2022 14:55

Of course they got off with it! Sir Beer had beverages and nibbles indoors during a working day whereas BJ had beverages and nibbles indoors during a working day. 2 completely different things according to the forensic Durham constabulary.

ClaudineClare · 08/07/2022 15:00

SueSaid · 08/07/2022 14:55

Of course they got off with it! Sir Beer had beverages and nibbles indoors during a working day whereas BJ had beverages and nibbles indoors during a working day. 2 completely different things according to the forensic Durham constabulary.

Aw, janiie. Hope your weekend isn't ruined. Sir Cleared Starmer sends his love btw ❤️ 🍺🥘

Roussette · 08/07/2022 15:04

SueSaid · 08/07/2022 14:55

Of course they got off with it! Sir Beer had beverages and nibbles indoors during a working day whereas BJ had beverages and nibbles indoors during a working day. 2 completely different things according to the forensic Durham constabulary.

Different times of the pandemic. Different rules in place at the time. And if it hadn't have been this one for BJ, it would've been one of the other 6 parties he attended where those present were given FPNs but he wasnt.

Enjoy your weekend, it's over now. Keep going with the 'Sir Beer' if it helps Grin

itsgettingweird · 08/07/2022 15:08

Sir Clear Starmer

That's bloody brilliant 🤣🤣🤣🤣