To hope Johnson doesn't resign?

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Because if he clings on until the next GE, he'll be completely unelectable and we'll be rid of the Tories.

I'm hoping he digs his heels in just like he always has, even though by rights he should be fucking off with his tail between his legs.

Everyone who read the relevant rules knew.

Try going back and reading those links that explain the law again without switching off.

'Sorry this has ruined your day.'

It hasn't tbh I've just been in waiting for deliveries and it's all that's on the news.

'And yet parliament tried to dissolve itself for their own gain, they've ousted a PM who was front and central in the European war.'

Exactly.

Jesus Christ. How about pulling yourselves into today...

Future leaders are capable of carrying the cudgel on Ukraine. It is a vital issue but there is also a country to run and Johnson has shown himself incapable. I know that the view that you have taken has been taken up by some Tories and elements of the right wing media but Johnson is no Churchill and we don't need someone to lead the country simply on the basis of the support that he has shown Ukraine. Other leaders can and will be capable of doing so and also be competent at running the country.

Yes @Isitsixoclockalready

Ben Wallace

I accept boris has gone and I'm looking at how the fuck it can be fixed.

I'm sorry but people harping on about beer, curry, cake and swings helps no one right now

It is no longer about cake. That is not why they have turned . The cake was forgiven.

Clavinova, do tell us about your law degree and why you are more qualified to tell us about the law than Adam Wagner, barrister of 15 years' call, leading authority on Covid law, Specialist Advisor to Parliament’s Joint Committee Inquiry into the government’s response to the pandemic?

'Try going back and reading those links that explain the law again without switching off.'

Ah read the links of other people's opinions? No thanks. Once again, either booze and indoor mingling was allowed for work or it wasn’t, the police need to make their minds up. I wonder if Durham constabulary do their own thing with other alleged offences?! You'd think they'd all sing from the same song sheet.

Still, Sir Beer is honest innit. 5 people/17 people who's counting!

Johnson has used the war in Ukraine for his own ends, just like he does everything and anyone else.

His lies about Partygate were bad enough, but the elevating to a powerful position of a known sexual harasser and then lying to everyone about it, even his own cabinet, was what really did him in. If he hadn't done that, Sunak and Co., would not have been able to pounce.

SleeplessInEngland
The moment starmer said he'd resign if fined it was all but a given that he wouldn't be.

How could he not resign if he were fined? He called for Rishi Sunak to resign - he even wanted Boris Johnson to resign before an investigation had taken place. Threatening to resign also puts pressure on the police.

AmaryIlis
It was a given well before that. Durham police got it right the first time they decided not to prosecute, they really had no business bowing down to pressure from the Mail and the Tories.

They clearly had to investigate after a number of inconsistencies were exposed in the media - even John Crace of the Guardian described one of Keir Starmer's interviews as "borderline shifty".

Not forgetting of course that Durham Police facilitated this community party which clearly broke lockdown rules in very early May 2020 - arranged by a Labour Mayor and attended by a Labour MP;

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18484861.mp-kevan-jones-defends-decision-attend-100th-birthday-party-lockdown/

'That is not why they have turned . The cake was forgiven.'

Yes it's about Pincher. Who was in post when May was there. Anyone would think it was a convenient excuse to launch the ousting.

they've ousted a PM who was front and central in the European war

That is Johnsonian rhetoric.

So Starmer couldn't remember precise details of what happened one evening amongst many hard evenings on the campaign trail. It's been thoroughly investigated by the police twice, they've taken CPS advice, they have said no crime was committed, get over it, @Clavinova

Whilst on the subject of what people can remember, do you have any thoughts about a party leader who totally forgets having it formally reported to him twice that one of his more prominent MPs has been responsible for sexual assaults on men over whom he had authority?

The partygate stuff was reprehensible and Keir getting dragged in was a pathetic (and failed) attempt by the right wing media to muster up some equivalence even though it was ropey to begin with. Johnson is brilliant at campaigning and is obviously charismatic but even though he has been supportive of Ukraine and a real friend, that doesn't excuse his inability to keep attention to detail, to be honest, to run a country with any competence, to keep his eye on domestic policy and to genuinely level up the country.

Politics in general is in dire need of a reset. I don't give a shit about having a 'real character' in charge or to have policies that only benefit or have any importance for certain demographics within the country. If the Tories have any sense they will forget the same old candidates and find someone fresh who will move us on from all the culture war bollocks and come up with some decent policies to unite the country.

I don't give a fuck if Johnson had cake and drank. What I do give a fuck about is that he did it knowing that it happened at an unlawful gathering in breach of the rules his government made, at a time when others obeying the rules were foregoing seeing their dying relatives, comforting their loved ones at funerals, seeing their ill relatives in care homes ....

And I also give a fuck about the fact that he repeatedly lied about it to Parliament and never had the grace to admit that and resign to acknowledge how unacceptable that was.

Legal opinions. There's an important difference.

But, of course, we've moved past that. I'm taking it that, as you still haven't responded to queries around Johnson's conduct in relation to the Pincher saga, you accept that there was no excuse. So shall we all join in rejoicing that he's going and bemoan the fact that this known liar is still clinging on as Prime Minister?

Glad to know that's the best you can do in relation to Pincher. Johnson's conduct really was inexcusable, wasn't it?

Nope me too, I'm disappointed about the decision

Johnson was arrogant and has a sense of entitlement. Genuine humility is not part of his makeup.

AmaryIlis
Clavinova, do tell us about your law degree and why you are more qualified to tell us about the law than Adam Wagner, barrister of 15 years' call, leading authority on Covid law, Specialist Advisor to Parliament’s Joint Committee Inquiry into the government’s response to the pandemic?

I don't need to - I have already shown that Keir Starmer clearly lied in his account of what happened in Durham - whether he technically broke the law or not doesn't really matter to me.

I've read some of Adam Wagner's tweets - including the one where Wagner acknowledged that Keir Starmer's team and the Durham team had not followed the guidance for constituency office visits at the time (the guidance notes advised no indoor meetings etc.) - although it was someone else who sent Wagner a copy of the published notes on Twitter. Perhaps Starmer was embarrassed about not following the guidance and he told a few lies to cover it up?

And have been legally shown to be one that was reasonably necessary for work purposes and one that was deemed not to be.

And it was Johnson that made them rules.

As he said - he got caught and dems the breaks

AmaryIlis
So Starmer couldn't remember precise details

What happened to Keir Starmer's fabled forensic attention to detail? It's not as if he didn't know he was going to be asked questions about the Durham meeting.

Johnson himself admitted that he drinking culture on no 10 was bad at 1922 the other day.

He even went as far as to say that pincher probably couldn't handle his drink as well as others and that's why he did what he did.

It's disgustingly immoral but does at least acknowledge all the drinking we saw photographic evidence of.

The level of false equivalence by some on here is laughable. I'm not sure if even they genuinely believe in their own argument. Anyway, Johnson is on his way out and if the Tories have any sense they'll be very careful who they choose for next leader and go for substance over style.

As the head of our country yes,they are his rules
Absolutely he must take that responsibility. I totally agree.
The buck stops with him.
However in reality they are not his rules that he has thought up and drafted!!his medical team did that and told him to relay the message on auto cue.
For some bizzare reasons he was oblivious to COVID wasn't he!

Until he got it.
There were lots of cock ups with him declaring " I've just been to a COVID ward and shook the hand of everyone in there'".

Corbyn apparently had one too many at his dinner party.
Ok police have clearee starmer but he was still.... drinking a beer and eating pizzas....

I just can't get excited about them all meeting and having a drink.
It would be very different if Boris had conjureed all this up....
And slyly tricked people but it's blindingly obvious he didn't.

I don't care if starmer had a beer or crorybn had one Extra....

I just can't.

The rules were in place by Chris whittty...and Valence.

Jenny harries....

They were there to try and protect us from each other.
Many offices had similar gatherings people who were working on the front lines as it were!!

All of them including starmer were in an unprecedented situation,I just wouldn't get upset even if it turned out starmer hosted a bday party with two DC from cousin's etc.

I just couldn't. It was their Risk to take.