to wonder if BAME people care more than others about women’s rights?

[ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus]

Do BAME people care more about women’s rights?

Today I read about attorney general Suella Braverman opposing the SNP’s plan to
speed up gender self-ID. By allowing anyone to claim to be the other sex, self-ID would of course give every man (trans or not, sex predator or not) access to all women’s services and spaces.

Yesterday, it was the equalities minister Kemi Badenoch stating that all new public
buildings must have single-sex toilets.

Health secretary Sajid Javid has told the NHS to stop replacing words that have a female meaning (such as ‘woman’) with expressions such as ‘person with a uterus’. The NHS and many large organisations have been doing this to avoid offending trans people. But it is baffling to many people, who then risk missing vital health information.

Dame Kelly Holmes supports the Fair Play for Women campaign to stop males competing in women’s sports, despite transactivists’ aggression.

And so many heroic resisters have been fighting legal battles: Allison Bailey, Keira
Bell, Raquel Rosario Sanchez, Shahrar Ali …

And it’s not only the fight to keep women’s single-sex rights. Sajid Javid has also
refused to shut up about grooming gangs, despite being (unfairly) accused of racism.

Those are just the few I can think of on the spur of the moment. I know there are
many more.

Of course there are many other, non-BAME feminists and allies fighting against the
withdrawal of women’s rights and protections. But the percentage who are BAME seems very noticeable.

Any ideas why?

Honestly, this just sounds creepy to me. Black people are people, you know. Human beings. Not 'otherworldly creatures' to be gazed at and spoken of as if somehow different and amazing for being black.

What a bizarre response to what I said.

When you look at university faculty active in this area and you can see the ones who are black seem to have some protection compared to those who aren't

And do you think that this drives equality? Is it fair that some people have this priviledge and implicit protection? And I'm talking about 2022, not the 17th century

www.london.gov.uk/questions/2018/0064

The mayor’s office’s definition in 2018.

If you read it carefully you’ll see the utterly insulting implication that Gypsies, for example, are merely a “nationality or affiliation”.

Just imagining the officious pencildick who draughted it makes my piss boil.

It is because BLACK people globally lead in the fight for racial equality. We (they) are not scared to use their voices for causes they believe in. I have yet to meet a Black person who is concerned about being a ‘model minority’. They will call you out every single time. They literally have no time for you.

Back in you box now please, Edward!

What box is that? I doubt you would have much chest in real life. Back to your sad little box.

@Palmfrond

i think Irish travellers are recognised as a separate ethnic group now. Still Irish but distinct from the main populace. Must be the same for Roma and Romany, no?

Show people I don’t know about but I think they consider themselves part of the travelling community.

This man always impresses me with his clarity

www.londongypsiesandtravellers.org.uk/story/from-the-fairground-to-university/

Ahh yes putting black voices back in 'their box', excellent move there 🙄

I’m not disagreeing with you, just pointing out that, according to the Mayor’s office, they are not BAME.
Thanks for the link.

That’s interesting about black resistance to identity politics in the USA, MangyInseam. I haven’t followed US events so much — though I do remember it was a black woman who challenged the exhibitionist at the Wi Spa in California (and got slagged off for it by staff and by the press there and here).

Oh and of course the scandal of males identifying as transgender and winning women’s sports must be serious at a real grass-roots level in the USA, because people can get to university on sports scholarships. I’ve just realised that probably affects more black students than other groups.

I’ve no idea what colour voice that poster has, but they are claiming to speak for the entire black population of planet earth, which is preposterous.

I’ve no idea what colour voice that poster has, but they are claiming to speak for the entire black population of planet earth, which is preposterous.

And you're not even black. Who said you get to be offended on my behalf? Away you go.

To be replaced with....?

I mean they pretty much imply they are black by saying 'we'

And if black people aren't allowed to speak for black people without being told to get back in their box then thats pretty fucked up

lol, you know nothing about me, but if you must rush to the defence of a supremacist nutter that is your right.

We just still know what a wrongun is. We don't have pomo discussions about when is a nonce a nonce.

To be replaced with more specific terminology. Inter-minority racism is so vehemently pervasive. My aunts used to joke how they'd hope the person at immigration control when going through UK arrivals was white because if not it was gonna be a long night. But even recently one of the police officers who'd apparently been sending racist messages in a whatsApp group was South Asian. I really don't bother with 'BAME' networks tbh. I consciously choose to use my resources to support black girls.

You're offended at somebody describing black people positively. I didn't say white suprematist, that's from your mouth. I just think you're a one of those who don't like to hear about black people complaining because you feel left out.

And I'm almost certain you're not black @Palmfrond. Didn't claim to know anything else, nor do I care to.

So in response to the statement 'why do we never hear brown lives matter' and an implication that you only hear about black people, a black person has stated that's because black people are leading the fight for racial equality.

From that you have determined that this person is a supremacist nutter.

That's quite a leap there.... 🙄

You are stupid. Imagine showing your whole hand. Like I said, internet has you strong and bold because the likelihood of you being in your stupid little box and being real silent in real life is 100 per cent guaranteed.

It sounds real hurt. The jump was phenomenal lol. I rarely engage with MN on these matters because I enjoy it for other light matters. She/he does not have the range for this type of discussion.

@Covidagainandagain From that you have determined that this person is a supremacist nutter.

Okay, okay, sorry @EddyF for calling you a nutter, but the black struggle does not equate to a global struggle, unless you are including the ongoing genocides in Myanmar, Yemen, Xinjiang, West Papua under your definition of blackness, which I’m guessing you’re not.

Same here, Vesta. Of course that example isn’t statistically significant, but they were three good news items I happened to read that day. Up till recently, any one of them would have been extraordinary, now I dare hope the momentum for women’s rights (or restoration of sanity) is building.

And today I also dare to hope Sajid Javid is on his way to becoming prime minister. Exciting times.