Should a male teacher have done this?

[mycatisannoying]

During a residential school trip, enter a girls' shared dorm to wake them up?
To my mind it's a safeguarding issue, and there was also a female teacher on the trip who could have done it.
I wanted to seek others' opinions before raising it.
Thanks.

Yet you were happy to let her go.

Wasn’t necessarily a wise thing for the teacher to do, for his own self avoiding accusations and threads like this etc - but there’s no perfect risk free position on this and whether male or female teachers, rather than “a teacher” wake the kids up on a residential - I went on a lot of residentials, always male teacher woke the boys and female teacher woke the girls, but one of the male teachers is currently serving a 25 year prison sentence for sexual offences against school boys! Would have been much better if he had been put on duty to wake up the girls!

But we’re talking here about whether one of those methods was Inappropriate Which, imo, it wasn’t.

And imo it was, and unnecessary.
And if any of the girls found it inappropriate, then I'm inclined to think their opinion outweighs yours.

It's very inappropriate. Any of those girls might have been changing at the time and he had no idea beforehand what would be the case.

Based on my own experience, no.

but that’s because the male teacher that came in to check on us happened to do it when one of the girls was in a towel (and he weirdly told us not to wear strappy tops as we might get the wrong attention)… ended up in prison some years later for an inappropriate relationship with an underage student. We found it a bit creepy at the time but even more so after hearing that.

Just sounds like your daughter really doesn’t like this teacher

Why should the op answer a question which wasn't in the op?

If the op wouldn't have had the same reaction this whole thread would have been derailed by a while different subject matter. All those asking the op should perhaps consider starting their own thread instead.

I think the op needs to concentrate on giving detail on this thread and not worry about others and their little agendas!

This is weird and would cause anxiety between the group and if your daughter heard probably scare her a little

@Whatwouldscullydo Thats awful I'm so sorry.

You don't have to do anything, you just have to be accused. All it takes is for someone to complain that they felt off about it, nothing needs to have happened but it'll stick.

He has bad judgement, going on a school trip in the first place..

@mycatisannoying wow this is why I would in no way want to be a teacher in this day and age and have respect for the ones who do. You reprimand a kid and the next thing you know they/their parents are accusing you of all sorts of baseless but very serious criminal allegations which will have to be taken seriously by the school and even if disapproved will always be a mark on your file when it comes to future promotions or anything careerwiseand indeed on your life and health in terms of stress. Imagine OP this happened to you in your career...how would you feel? You haven't said anything inappropriate happened as far as I can see. And as for the phone incident, it may be an odd way to deal with whatever it was/wasnt but as a 13 year old once myself I can well remember us winding up our teachers for fun to their breaking point. Not proud of that, we were little shits sometimes. Are you absolutely 100 percent sure your daughter is a little angel and hasn't embellished parts of this story to suit herself? I would think twice if I why you or you may find yourself labelled as trouble maker and your daughter will not be able to go on trips without staff doubling up to provide witnesses in case of another spurious accusation. Note that if you said he walked in without knocking and was staring at girls breasts/other inappropriate behaviour I would say report to police and school...but from what you said this hasn't happened has it?

I think this thread has changed my mind. I think you should mention it as a concern to the school. Even if completely innocent it was enough to make your daughter uncomfortable and they need to be aware of this for next school trip/to feed back to the teacher. The phone thing however I wouldn't mention as it just makes it seem like you have an axe to grind. But if it becomes a repeated pattern then mention it as part of that.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion! But just because you feel something, doesn’t make it so.

We still don't know exactly what happened. Did he knock and call out first.

Did he just pop in, turn on the light and leave? Did he shout wake up from the doorway?

You don't like him, that's obvious. No wonder teachers refuse to do residentials any more with parents like you around.

Yabu

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Not on this thread no.
In her other threads there's plenty.

What does it matter if the dd is challenging or not.

Are difficult children exempt from safeguarding?

Even more reason not to place himself in this position surely?

FFS, it is parents like you OP that make it impossible for decent male teachers to do their job. He's supervising the residential, his job is to get the children up – did he skulk around each of their beds peering under the covers, or did he just open the door and tell them it was morning? Context is everything here AND you've deliberately neglected to answer the very valid question of whether you'd react the same if it was a female teacher waking a room of 13-year-old pupils.

As for the phone, it sounds like your DD has form for being on it when she shouldn't and he's fed up of it and that's why he asked the other students to keep an eye out – it's up to them whether they do though, and chances are they won't.

But instead of thinking about why he felt the need to recruit the others to help, you've instead started a malicious thread about him. I bet you'll be gossiping with other parents too, even though you know any accusation of impropriety could potentially lose him his job.

And people wonder why there are so few male teachers now.

And 98% of that 99% is a close male family member.

Of course he shouldn't have done it, the girls could've been changing ,I'm surprised he even put himself in that situation.

Ive just asked my daughter what happened on school trips - male or female teacher would bang on the door loudly - neither would have opened the door. They where informed say at 9am there would be a room inspection where a female teacher could check beds made etc Even late at night to ask to be quiet again would be a tap on the door only they wouldn’t enter the room.

The phone thing my daughter said he probably did say a reminder to everyone no phones, probably said let us know if he had concerns to the others - but at 13 children often default to the worse case & wind themselves & others up.

Meant to say female teacher waking boy pupils.

100%. OP is annoyed about the phone situation and is now trying to see if she can report the teacher with a very serious accusation. She's insinuating he's creeping into 13 year old girls' dorms. Very vindictive behaviour.

*citation missing.

if you’re going to claim arbitrary statistics, at least cite your source. Preferably credible studies or articles citing such.