Should a male teacher have done this?

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During a residential school trip, enter a girls' shared dorm to wake them up?
To my mind it's a safeguarding issue, and there was also a female teacher on the trip who could have done it.
I wanted to seek others' opinions before raising it.
Thanks.

And people wonder why there are so few male teachers now

Erm have you heard yourselves. All these posters basically saying safguarding procedures are a barrier to male teachers entering the profession and inappropriate behaviour is merely something that should be put up with in order to facilitate more male teachers.

That's far more offensive, men don't need the bar lowered , than being expected ti adhere to what most schools have in place surely?

Haven't RTFT but it sounds like a safeguarding issue to me. The girls are vulnerable while they sleep, could be changing or in state of undress. So no, it's not okay.

OP still hasn't clarified if he 'entered the room' only that he woke them up. In my experience of school trips that's a knock on the door and a shout in, teachers don't go bed to bed whispering "good morning sunshine, time to wakey-wakey" It's more usually "Come on, speed up, shower time!"

Except she didn't misbehave she DIDNT have her phone

He probably did knock loudly and call inside. OP hasn't said he entered the room and is avoiding clarifying either way.

DD (13) just came back from a trip and the lead male teacher at the info evening said that whilst there would be girl levels and boy levels and the teachers would be sleeping according to that, they would be taking turns in patrolling the corridors-but said whilst he would be patrolling the girls corridors (and if necessary knocking on their door and telling them to go to sleep! that he would not be entering their rooms. So definitely off IMO. He could have just knocked on the door and said wake up time!

Yes, exactly. If male teachers can't meet the appropriate standards of behaviour to safeguard children, then they shouldn't be teachers.

Bet you half the people on this thread had a creepy male teacher when they were at school. I've read the threads on here with women telling their stories. Why wouldn't you want to protect children?

OP - you obviously dont like the man and your daughter now has an issue with him. This is career and life changing issues that you are alleging.

For context - my sons board at school and the house staff - male and female, knock open the door and go into the doorway - shouting get out of bed. absolutely nothing inappropriate about that.

You seem hell bent on destroying this man

It would never happen in my child's school they have a strict men/boy women/girl policy in vulnerable situations from around year 1/2 women don't go into boys toilets without a male teacher my son had a terrible accident at school was stuck on the toilet a male teacher was found to help resolve the situation the female was there also (two teacher policy in place also) we are fortunate to have a large male staff in primary we actively recruit them and in many cases they stay for years because they are safeguarded as much as the children

Even when I was a child on school trips the male staff NEVER opened the door to the girls room they were in charge of the first knock to get up so they hammered it and walked away

You've misconstrued the comment – I was actually referring to malicious false accusations made by pupils and their parents that put men off from entering the profession. It's a real worry that they're going to be accused of impropriety and have their careers ruined. Yes, there are obviously bad apples, as there are in any profession, but the vast, vast majority of male teachers are not perverts or sex offenders!

Exactly. Context is everything and OP is choosing not to make it clear here.

Hello Martian.
Males and females have massively different rates and patterns of behaviour.
Of course it matters!

I'm not running the safeguarding course today. I am next Friday though. I could point you to some links if you want to read the stats?

I have toured many times with secondary age pupils, mixed sex.
We always do the morning door knocks with two staff, either male/female or same sex - the safeguarding is the two members of staff rather than which sex they are. Sensible and flexible.

He’s a professional teacher. Likely with a background check etc. really wouldn’t bother me in the slightest.

Yes please if you don't mind

Whatwouldscullydo
And people wonder why there are so few male teachers now

So the people to blame are those who speak up about bad male behaviour, not the males who behave badly?

Maybe if men want a better image, they should stop being the sex to commit most violent and sexual crimes. Not my job to ignore my eyes and ears to make the nice ones feel better.

I just can't see the issue. We don't even know if he entered the room. When my DDs went away with the school (male and female) teachers would knock on the doors and call out
Even if he went in if there was no response and made sure they were awake I can't see a problem.

Presumably he wasn’t the only teacher on the trip, so the other teachers were surely aware he did this and had agreed to the waking up arrangements? Whether or not it is appropriate, or how inappropriate, depends how it was done, imho. It’s not as if he’s likely to be able to get away with doing much in a dorm of several girls, and how much he can see depends on how he warned them before opening the door to their room.

The phone incident sounds weird, but presumably this is just the dd’s account of things? What made him think she had access to a phone?

I don't think it's appropriate - and no male member of staff should even consider it (unless there was a fire) - for their own protection.

YABU. He woke up a room of 13 girls. At no point was he alone with a girl. This is not a safeguarding risk. I imagine he stood at the open door to wake them. You sound like you have an axe to grid and you're clutching at straws.

It’s fine. Was he their group leader? I run school trips and sometimes there aren’t enough same sex teachers for each group. He was making sure they were awake on time! He’s a teacher and DBS checked. He might be gay - not that that’s relevant, but you seem to be inferring an inappropriate motive. If there was any touching involved, of course it’s wrong and must be reported, but otherwise it’s fine.

Knocking on the door, opening it and shouting Oi Get Up - I would have no issue with.

OP I have read all your posts and you haven't given any more detail on 'how' he woke them up.

People do this all the time, maybe even you, without realising. The terms "white privilege" and "straight privilege" are examples.

In fairness, the OP has said in 2 of her posts that he entered the room. And that it was her daughter who brought it up as she felt uncomfortable.