Should a male teacher have done this?

[mycatisannoying]

During a residential school trip, enter a girls' shared dorm to wake them up?
To my mind it's a safeguarding issue, and there was also a female teacher on the trip who could have done it.
I wanted to seek others' opinions before raising it.
Thanks.

@TruthHertz - I think that you may misunderstand school safeguarding and child protection rules. They apply equally to women.
It's just that this example is a man.
Believe me, women teachers do not receive alternative training, and are not exempt from checks and investigations.
We must protect children from all threats, and not excuse or let anyone have a pass.

@TruthHertz I don't know about stats like this, it's true also that women are more likely to telling someone that they've been assaulted whereas men might not?

Similarly Muslim prisoners - if there's a lot of suspicion around certain cultures or race it's not hard to imagine that that group will be targeted more & more likely to be charged & found responsible, another group might not.

The obvious flaw in stats like this (apart from who is writing them) is whether people (such as assault victims of any gender will 1. Tell someone that they've been targeted or not 2. Willingness of a society to find a person 'guilty' & 3. Whether someone identifies (ie as Muslim, or as part of a gang etc) at the time of the crime or whether for example, prison has converted them.

I have always wondered whether assault is really gendered - I'm aware that many people won't agree with this perspective, or whether women are more likely to come forward. I am aware that other groups have higher violent offences (such as the trans community), particularly in America. But again who really knows? It really does depend on whether any person belonging to any group comes forward or not, or reports it in the first place.

You made a bet with yourself yet still didn't answer it...

What if professions were changed, what about a male nurse say. Would it be inappropriate for him to do night time observations or medications?

I think it’s perfectly fine, it would be different if it was one-on-one. It does come across like you have a bug to bare.

I don't know if there's any reason to suspect that this man is more predatory thanks the female teacher actually.
I was assaulted by a female as a child & this was someone in a trusting role.
I also feel like if someone teaches children to fear someone based on gender that's a bit of a worrying path.
We shouldn't be teaching our children to fear, just to be aware of people in general, nothing to do with gender

We all have free will and we're all entitled to do things differently. Personally, I like to take off my pyjamas before putting on whatever clothes I'll be wearing for the day -I put my clothes over my undies and my bra, in case that wasn't clear- but it's a free world so you're welcome to put yours over your pyjamas or over your spiderman suit, I'm not judging!
It's hot, I don't wear a snowsuit to bed, I assume others don't either but, again, it's a free world, you're welcome to sleep in one, I'm not here to judge your sleeping attire!

Did he go into the room or knock on the closed door about shout " time to get up" ?

I wouldn’t have a problem with it at all. But I doubt you’ll read this because many of the answers aren’t what you want to hear.
Who told you about the code word matter? Have you explored the matter with your daughter?

@TruthHertz

But my point is that you could never ever get away with advising caution against Muslims in any situation in the same way you can with men. I mean, I even feel a bit icky talking about it and that is undoubtedly the social conditioning that one shall not criticise minority groups.

People definitely advise caution against men in ways they don't other groups. I actually don't think it's unreasonable but it is inconsistent.

There are many, many initiatives to proactively stop young Muslim people specifically from being groomed and radicalised in communities with a large Muslim population, so I would argue it's not something nobody talks about.

It's also a question of scale. Almost every single person in the UK or America for example has known or witnessed at least one man who at has at some point sexually harassed or sexually assaulted a female. And men make up 50% of the population.

If almost every single person in the same countries knew at least one Muslim who had been involved in terrorism against one other specific race and they made up 50% of the population and the other race in question made up the other 50% of that population, I believe that the same level of caution would be applied.

That's why it's IMO not a fair comparison at all. The scale of the population involved and the frequency involved are both too different.

Please note I'm not being combative, this is me answering your question in good faith as you said nobody has done so previously.

I come in peace and hope that all made sense.

It depends a lot how it was done but it makes a bit uneasy even as an adult I wouldn't apreciate a unrelated man coming into my room early morning if I was still asleep and not properly dressed. And I can think of many decent doing that either

So he entered the room to wake them up, do you have a problem with your husband or partner entering the room to wake them? Is there an issue with female teachers going into male bedrooms to wake them? I doubt it, so why jot just accept it for what it is, a teacher waking students

It sounds like you are annoyed with him and with good reason if the phone code thing is true but I don’t think it’s inappropriate and maybe you are looking for a reason to get him in trouble.

Amazing, at least I don’t have an evil mind

I'm starting to get really, really sceptical about the veracity of some posters on this thread. And the pattern in which the posts appear. And the content.

So he entered the room to wake them up, do you have a problem with your husband or partner entering the room to wake them?

As if this is comparable!

Is there an issue with female teachers going into male bedrooms to wake them? I doubt it, so why jot just accept it for what it is, a teacher waking students

Actually, women and men are given the same safeguarding advice which is that unless absolutely necessary teachers of the opposite sex shouldn't be the ones to wake up / enter the room of sleeping pupils etc.

This isn't a guideline specifically given to male teachers. So yes, there would be an issue with a female teacher doing the same thing to a class of boys. As evidenced by the equal safeguarding guidelines.

I've never known a school / club to have that guideline for men and not also women.

I don't think it's advisable for a male teacher to do (exactly because of how it might end up in an internet thread/gossip factory/rumour mill).

But it sounds like you're more aggrieved about his behaviour towards your daughter, which I agree sounds off and pretty juvenile.

I don't know if there's any reason to suspect that this man is more predatory thanks the female teacher actually

There is. The very fact of his maleness makes him statistically many many times more to be a sexual predator. That's a fact.

And the amount who are first time posters. Curiouser and curiouser.

I don't know if there's any reason to suspect that this man is more predatory thanks the female teacher actually

I don't think people have said this specific man is a predator. They've simply reiterated why safeguarding is so vital. And safeguarding guidelines are the same for male and female teachers.

But yes, statistically a man is more likely to be a sexual predator than a woman. This is a US stat for example:

According to a 2010 National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey, 90 percent of perpetrators of sexual violence against women are men. Moreover, when men are victims of sexual assault (an estimated one in 71 men, and one in six boys), 93 percent reported their abuser was a man. It’s true that women also assault men, but even when victims of all genders are combined, men perpetrate 78 percent of reported assaults.

Exactly this, the guidelines apply equally to men and women.

They are in place to protect the adult as much as the child and it’s not just about abuse, it’s about ensuring that young people have privacy and dignity. It’s based enough if a teacher has to come into a changing room or dorm room, but 100 times worse when that adult is of the opposite sex.

In 25 years as a youth worker including long stints working in residential facilities, I have gone in occupied male child accommodation twice, both times to give first aid and in both cases accompanied by a male adult.

YABU, if I was his friend I'd tell him to not head to that dorm alone just to be safe.

I would raise this as a safeguarding issue, it’s not acceptable. I would not like to be awakened by a man I was not related to why should a young teenage girl 🤷🏻‍♀️