Should a male teacher have done this?

[mycatisannoying]

During a residential school trip, enter a girls' shared dorm to wake them up?
To my mind it's a safeguarding issue, and there was also a female teacher on the trip who could have done it.
I wanted to seek others' opinions before raising it.
Thanks.

I'm amazed how many think this was OK. When my dd(13) has sleepovers, neither me nor my husband go in to her bedroom. Girls LOVE prancing about in their bras and knickers or wearing teeny tiny pjs..... Or changing, I mean, you know, getting dressed....... Amongst themselves I'm glad they feel comfortable, but they don't need me or my hubby invading that privacy. I wouldn't want a colleague coming into my bedroom. It's just strange, never mind a member of staff into a child's room, even same gender. School staff, or anyone working with kids, does safeguarding training. It is VERY clear. This teacher needs to redo his.

Aaand the MRAs have descended.

They haven't even bothered to read literally the first line of the thread and are doing the wide eyed "we don't even know if he entered the room" thing.

As for the "Male teachers aren't always innocent and neither are 13yo girls" I can't even say what I would like to say. But let's hope that poster never has any influence professionally or personally over a girl.

Nice try MRA, but that's not an example of double standards.

so they allowed male teaching staff and actually attend a trip with female students present? Unacceptable. Should have total segregation. and the girls should have worn burkas in case there were other males in the vicinity, just as a special protective measure.
now report me
Jesus 🤦🏼‍♀️

Don't be silly.

People are asking what exactly happened and the OP hasn't answered. That isn't making excuses it's asking for clarity.

That they would put men's "rights" to be entitled above the rights of a child to be protected beggars belief.

Sorry but I couldn’t leave this comment. It actually infrutriated me a little bit!

If a female teacher was to do the exact same thing literally nobody would bat an eyelid. The guy woke some girls up on a school trip! There was no creepiness he literally woke them up and that’s it.

And I’m sorry but the amount of young girls you see out and about now even from the age of 9 going out wearing booty short and crop tops is despicable. But no one is allowed to say anything because “it’s wrong” and “shaming” our young girls. No I’m sorry but todays society is what is sexualising young girls. As a mother I would be appalled if my young daughter was going out in a school skirt that barely covers here or clothes that are too revealing! Especially at such a young age.

And you will actually find that women are also perpetrators of child abuse. Not just men. And it’s not “many men” in all honest this seems like a bit of an attack on men and Im sick of todays “woke” culture turning men into paedophiles and rapists in the eye of the media when this isn’t the case.

the self entitlement of this post is shocking. The daughter got in trouble with a teacher probably for poor behaviour and attitude. And now this seems to have turned into an attack on the poor teacher which could end his career but also ultimately if he has his own children could mean that he is not allowed to be left alone with them or possibly even have contact with them!

so unless you have evidence that would determine there is something untoward. I would greatly appreciate it if you stopped treating men like they are inferior and sex pests out to abuse women!

To the 'we don't even know if he entered rhe room' brigade.

Read OP's posts and it's very clear he did:

During a residential school trip, enter a girls' shared dorm to wake them up?

A male teacher in a room of sleeping 13 year old girls.

It was my daughter who felt uncomfortable at him entering the room.

So yes, he entered the room. As has been made clear three times by OP in her posts - see the relevant sentences above that I've pasted to make it nice and easy to understand.

I think it is completely inappropriate, male teachers should not enter where female children may be getting changed, he went in to waken them, but they might have been up and getting dressed already.
I agree too about it being a bit off for him to have code words and encourage children to snitch 🚩for me.

Notmyyearthisyear

just to be clear, you are saying it is perfectly acceptable for a lone male teacher to enter a room where teenage girls are asleep in their nightclothes and that saying this isn’t acceptable is the same as saying that all girls should be covered from head to foot at all times?

@Stressedmummy94

And I’m sorry but the amount of young girls you see out and about now even from the age of 9 going out wearing booty short and crop tops is despicable. But no one is allowed to say anything because “it’s wrong” and “shaming” our young girls. No I’m sorry but todays society is what is sexualising young girls. As a mother I would be appalled if my young daughter was going out in a school skirt that barely covers here or clothes that are too revealing! Especially at such a young age.

What is the relevance of what children wear in relation to this post / the topic of safeguarding please?

This is very dangerously close to "well what was she wearing?"

... but it's a valid question.

Are you really not going to bother clarifying details? Did he march in without knocking? Or did he knock and call to check everyone was decent and then enter the room?

I’d hate to be a male teacher or male school staff for this reason. It should be ok for a dbs cleared and fully referenced checked male to wake up a form of girls just as it would a female teacher also checked and verified to wake up a form of boys. Being left alone with a child is a whole different matter and would also be an issue male or female.

it’s the same in sen. I work in an sen school where the majority of students need personal care such as accompanying to the toilet or nappy changing etc. we actually have a high number of male students and no one bats an eye lid at the female staff carrying out personal care, yet when one of the girls needs changing/accompanying it must be a female staff member.

I’ve also done primary school swimming. Have had to go into both changing rooms to hurry kids up getting changed after swimming and keep an eye on behaviour. As a female I would knock loudly on the door first and shout that I was coming on before I went into the boys changing room. I was usually accompanied by a female TA as would any of the staff so the male teachers would have left the female ta to keep an eye on the girls when they went. Never had a male TA in primary (although I’m sure they do exist).

I will go with the OP here and say I wouldn't be too pleased either. I went on school trips when younger and there was always only females entering the female 'sleeping' quarters only.

I don't know if I'm would raise it as an issue though with the school!How did you find out- did DD tell you? If so then did SHE have an issue with it?

That's rather odd.

Yes. You are ridiculous.

@JulyDreams

How did you find out- did DD tell you? If so then did SHE have an issue with it?

OP explained this very clearly:

It was my daughter who felt uncomfortable at him entering the room. How do you think the discussion even arose? I was hardly going to ask her who had woken them up in the mornings!

You understand this person will be DBS checked? Talk about trying to make something from nothing. Drama seeking.

@wellhelloitsme I didn't read that part- I will admit I haven't read the 50+ comments on here 

@celticprincess - if you work in a school then you've done safeguarding training?
He'll be DBS checked but he still has to follow the rules, there aren't exceptions.

Fair enough - OP only has 10 posts and there's a feature to see all of theirs only on both the app and desktop site. It's handy as often they've addressed things other posters has asked so you get a fuller picture.

lovely to see Godwin’s law at play.

Apparently suggesting that a male shouldn’t enter a room of sleeping girls in their nightclothes is exactly the sort of thing that can lead to the murder of 6million Jews….

Being DBS checked doesn't make someone exempt from following basic safeguarding principles for the rest of their career.