Should a male teacher have done this?

[mycatisannoying]

During a residential school trip, enter a girls' shared dorm to wake them up?
To my mind it's a safeguarding issue, and there was also a female teacher on the trip who could have done it.
I wanted to seek others' opinions before raising it.
Thanks.

Am hoping the majority of posters on here are not in jobs where safe guarding is a consideration. It exists to keep everyone safe - safe from abuse, harassment, attack and safe from unfounded accusations. It is about creating a safe environment for everyone - in this case teachers and pupils. This teacher by entering a room of female students in bed in their nightclothes has acted in an inappropriate way. He either needs some reminders and training if this was a thoughtless mistake, or if this follows a pattern, it needs a close look at by the school. In my job there are certain ways I need to act that could feel OTT, but I am more than happy to respect these as I can understand that some people could use these situations to abuse their position. I do not see it as a slur on myself to follow the company's safe guarding policy.

Eh?

No one is saying men shouldn't be teachers - rather, that male teachers shouldn't blunder into schoolgirls' bedrooms where they sleep and dress; that basic safeguarding ought to be followed.

Your questions about senior management are interesting but irrelevant to this thread.

@marcopront
How many of you let male relatives wake up your daughters? Statistically that is the most likely place for abuse to happen.

Other than their father, who is not statistically that likely to abuse them, I have never let a male relative wake up my teen DDs. That would make them pretty uncomfortable.

No, we celebrate it and generally make a mockery of how "the lads done well" and "wish they were like that when I was at school".

A male relative living in their home is the most likely to abuse them.

The last time that I looked at this it was step father/new partner that was most likely to abuse.

it is.

sorry, my point wasn't really aimed at you.

It was aimed at the OP and PPs who are hysterical at a man setting foot into a room with teenage girls. They wouldn't have liked my school, the head of PE was a man who knocked, shouted and then barged in bellowing!

At the moment, we just have the dd’s version of both events - where she was totally innocent of all bad or bullying behaviour and he had absolutely no reason whatsoever to think she was hiding a phone she had been using, whether hers or anyone else’s, and he was being utterly weird and inappropriate in the way he dealt with his unjustified paranoia; and how he just wandered into the girls’ dorm in the morning to wake them up. However, as a parent, it is not unreasonable to raise both issues with the school and ask for clarification on what happened and what policies and procedures the school has in place for dealing with such incidents, rather than instantly assuming your own child is lying to cause trouble. I can’t help thinking it is extremely likely that the reality was far more nuanced than the simplistic description given by the OP, though, which is so one-sided, it doesn’t actually sound credible at all.

It was aimed at the OP and PPs who are hysterical at a man setting foot into a room with teenage girls

No one is hysterical. But well done for using a truly reductive word traditionally used to keep women down, stop them 'causing trouble' and suppress them.

And to clarify, no one is claiming that this man was about to try to physically abuse one of the children. It is a discussion about how he failed to comply with basic safeguarding and why safeguarding matters to girls and women.

At the moment, we just have the dd’s version of both events - where she was totally innocent of all bad or bullying behaviour and he had absolutely no reason whatsoever to think she was hiding a phone she had been using

Where is there any suggestion of bullying? Where did that come from?

The phone and any issues surrounding it is irrelevant. He shouldn't have walked into a dorm of sleeping girls to wake them up.

If ANY of the girls WERE badly behaved, bullies, whatever - and there's no suggestion of this, from what I've read - they STILL must be safeguarded. The school doesn't just decide to 'award' privacy and safeguarding to nice, good girls.

All we know is what the mother is reporting her daughter said and when it was given the daughter has no phone to contact her mother so it was presumably when DD got home. None of us know what really happened.

The OP has not come back to explain how intrusive the wake up call was unless I've missed it. Knocking on the door and opening it a bit to shout wake up, breakfast in half an hour, is not intrusive though in this day and age the male teacher should have known better and his female colleague should have done the waking up.

It's not clear whether this was all girls or there were boys to be woken up as well.

I still find the codewords for other kids to dob in a second phone is bizarre behaviour in anyone and very unlikely.

Clearly the OP could contact the school and board of governors about this and should do so immediately given her level of concern and go and collect her daughter from the residential or require her to be escorted back if she is not back already.

At the very least the school should stop residentials until they revise their policy so only female teachers are allowed to wake up girls or superintend them.

During a residential school trip, enter a girls' shared dorm to wake them up

He went into the room, according to the OP.

Knocking on the door and opening it a bit to shout wake up, breakfast in half an hour, is not intrusive

Why are you giving a different version of events? This isn't what the OP said.

It's not clear whether this was all girls or there were boys to be woken up as well

The OP said 'girls' shared dorm.'

There has been post after post of suggesting that the OP isn't explaining what happened, or that her DD is lying. Why are people twisting themselves into shapes to add some ambiguity to this? What are pp so determined to believe that this man was right and the child or her mother must be trying to distort the truth?

Is it so unseemly to simply say that this man behaved wrongly?

He was wrong in how he treated your DD about her imaginary phone and I'd be surprised if he wasn't going against good practice guidelines at minimum in going into their dormitory.
Unfortunately as is increasingly the case of late, start a thread with the word 'male' in the title and its jumped all over by posters with an agenda, who seem quite happy to see the privacy and wellbeing of women and girls compromised as long as men are protected.

@LAtalante - it came from the accusation of use of codewords. You can automatically assume this is due to an insane, power-tripping, misogynistic, inappropriately behaved teacher, or question whether maybe more is going on that the OP is blissfully unaware of, because she only knows what her dd is saying. Regardless, it is good to raise both issues with the school, because even if there is a more coherent reality once it has been looked into, rather than a slightly bizarre one, if this teacher has had lots of complaints of odd-sounding behaviour, this helps build a picture and enables a school to tighten up its safeguarding procedures for the protection of all, whereas one such incident doesn’t come across as entirely plausible in the simplistic way it has so far been described. As for the walking into the room - there were other teachers on this trip, so why was he the one who did it? Were the other teachers unaware, or did he not actually walk into the room all on his own while the girls were asleep?

ParanoidGynodroid - Eh? Confused

No one is saying men shouldn't be teachers - rather, that male teachers shouldn't blunder into schoolgirls' bedrooms where they sleep and dress; that basic safeguarding ought to be followed.

Not much eh-confusion going on here - OP has got an issue with the Teacher, phone and her dd., which may have basis or it may not, we don't know.

Nowhere does the OP describe the male teacher blundering into a roomful of girls who were sleeping, undressed, farting or whatever. He woke them up, her DD felt 'uncomfortable' and the OP asked if it was OK for a male teacher to have "done this", which I assume she means should a male teacher have woken a roomful of girls. And yes a Male Teacher should be able to do this.

Not saying the Male Teacher the OP is focusing on should, but then if the OP is concerned about a particular teacher she should be moving 'heaven and earth' to ensure he is exposed. If she can't but remains convinced he is a predator then she should remove her dd from the school for her own protection.

And yes a Male Teacher should be able to do this

No, a male teacher should not enter a dorm of sleeping girls (or girls who may have woken and started getting dressed). The reasons for this have already been explained many times to posters who are hard of comprehension.

Walkaround I was going to quote bits of your post, but my comments really all came to the same point: you don't believe the OP/the OP's daughter/both.

Were the other teachers unaware, or did he not actually walk into the room all on his own while the girls were asleep?

This assumes that the OP/her DD has lied. Why?

You can automatically assume this is due to an insane, power-tripping, misogynistic, inappropriately behaved teacher

And now a lot of hyperbole pointing in the same direction of travel.

When you strip away all of that, this is about a very simple incident: a male teacher walked into a girls dorm room to wake them.

This is against all the safeguarding I'm familiar with.

Why is this so hard to believe? There is a knot of posters that either refuse to accept that this simple incident happened at all, or that if it did, what's the fuss about?

There's a bit of Men Can Do No Wrong around lately, I agree with a pp.

As an aside, would anyone care to offer an explanation as to why more males have more School Leadership jobs even though there are more female teachers?
I'll offer you mine: traditionally (not always!) women take on the brunt of raising kids. They cook for all, feed the kids, clean the house, stay home when the kids are sick, do laundry etc etc. If they separate, they usually (not always!) get custody of the kids and have them during the week while having to work their traditional job at the same time.
All this put together means male teachers will get ahead more purely because they have more time to devote to their job, not because they're better, smarter, more skilled or able. They work to their heart's content because the wife's home minding the kids.
Before you come for me I'll emphasise this is a personal opinion, therefore subjective and I see it as the norm, I'm not saying it's always like this so feel free not to come and share your perfect life with the DH who cooks and does the dishes.

As so many find their dds being woken by a male teacher in any way, maybe they can think of more ways to encourage more men into teaching.

To generalize - if 50% of the population is female and 50% of schoolchildren are female too, then it would need 50% of Teachers to be Male too.

Specifically applied to the Residential Trip situation - assuming that 50% of the schoolchildren were Male, then 50% of the Teachers need to be Male too, as we can't have any Females waking them up, too inappropriate going by this thread.

But the Teaching Population isn't 50% Female/Male is it? More women are teachers than men. So an inequality is produced. Unless it's a Girls' School then seems best if Men don't teach in them as the default position is that they have a greater potential to be sexual predators than other Men?

Sometimes, women are their own enemy when it comes to equality.....

It's the same in all industries, even the ones that are traditionally female oriented. The most successful hairdressers, cooks, dressmakers are men. Even in nursing, men progress further quicker, on average.

I completely agree with your explanation Oceanus and couldn't have explained it better myself.

@TheTheHateIsNotGood - ?
What on earth do you mean women are their own enemy when it comes to equality?
Your post is about the imbalance of sexes in the teaching profession. How that's women's fault for trying to achieve equality is anyone's guess.

Well, I think we've had it all now on this thread. Disregard the safety of women and girls, label us "hysterical", oh - and for good measure - all this is women's fault for wanting equality.
I think I've accidentally stepped back to 1974.

You our post really doesn’t make any sense at all @TheHateIsNotGood - it sorts of meanders between many different issues and doesn’t explain any particularly well. Your use of random capital Letters is also Most odd.

*your