Should a male teacher have done this?

[mycatisannoying]

During a residential school trip, enter a girls' shared dorm to wake them up?
To my mind it's a safeguarding issue, and there was also a female teacher on the trip who could have done it.
I wanted to seek others' opinions before raising it.
Thanks.

OP, you still haven’t answered how he woke them up

Why are posters still labouring this? The OP was clear from the outset.

From the OP's first post: During a residential school trip, enter a girls' shared dorm to wake them up

That's it. Not whether he crept in, slammed in, said anything, did it in fancy dress, it doesn't matter. It was a male teacher entering a room of sleeping girls that is the issue.

He should have banged on the door and shouted through the door. To have opened the door and gone in to a room of sleeping female children was an abuse of his position and he knew it.

I'm with @TheLadyofShalott1. Secret code words? what would the male teacher have done if a pupil had used a secret code word to dob the OP's DD in? It's hardly something any kid would do and he would still need to find the second phone to prove anything or see her using it. And secret code words are hardly something an adult would use in any case. Very Famous Five or Bobbsey Twins.

And if all the kids need to be up at the same time to get down to breakfast and on to the part of the trip that they went on for, then two teachers may not be able to cover all the dormitories in appropriate male/female approach in time.

If he came into the dorm as opposed to knocking, then opening it slightly to say "7 o clock, breakfast in half an hour" then more fool he.

The OP may be right. The man may be a predatory numpty who inappropriately wakes up adolescent girls by striding into their dorm to wake them up and get his jollies, and a juvenile numpty using code words to get her fellow pupils to dob her in even when it makes no difference if she either has no second phone or has hidden it well.

Sadly I think the school by understaffing residentials because of the cost, and that teachers give up family time and down time for little reward, most schools will call time on residentials. And certainly we'll continue to lose teachers from the profession as government and parents combine to make life untenable.

Another apologist

‘And certainly we'll continue to lose teachers from the profession as government and parents combine to make life untenable’

God forbid that male teachers are challenged about inapppriate behaviour. Far better that they are allowed to continue.

No, they're the same sex. The issue is sex of the teacher, hence the mentioning of it in the post.

what low standards some are apparently willing to accept

children are vulnerable that’s why safeguarding procedures are put in place they are not difficult to understand

its quite easy for the boundaries to be blurred by those who want to and you have to ask why they want to

three red flags for this teacher that is not a good sign

It's like an endless shower of stupid.

Did he have a key for the door? Surely it was kicked and needed to be opened by a child?

Say what?

autocorrect *locked

So then ban all men from roles where they can be near children. Whilst you are at it ban all women too because it was a man and a woman and another child who recently killed that poor 5 year old.

I agree about the statistics, men are more likely to be abusers I'm afraid. But I think we have to use some common sense when using the rules too rather than knee jerk and that was what I was trying to point out. Do you truely believe from the OPs post that you have heard enough to condemn this man as basically a wannabe or actual sex offender? Because that is a very serious allegation. How much of it do you believe is fact? Potentially all he has done is open a door and reprimand a kid, the latter of which the OP feels agrieved about! Personally I would obtain the actual facts from the school first and from the other children who were there before flinging harmful accusations around. Has anyone ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? The second time the wolf got him as no one believed him. Let's hope this is not the scenario.

Yes, why bother having guidelines for appropriate behaviour in various professions at all!

Some of you make me realise how we got
to a situation where if you don’t actively encourage men into safe places - ( you know , such as rape crisis centres, hospital wards, prisons, changing rooms and toilets) you’re a bigot.

Be nice ladies!
That’s all you’ve got left.
Being nice.

While your rights are stripped from you in the name of inclusivity.

anyway, just stay nice and compliant.

🙌

Totally agree @beautyisthefaceisee I had male PE teachers who did this, as any decent human being would do, check first! I also had (clearly) lesbian female teachers during PE who would stay and watch us get changed. Very very uncomfortable! But according to various posters that's ok because they were female so not likely to be abusers.

Get a grip and a life op.jezus...
You are one of "those " mums for sure

Consider me a bigot 😒

This thread is a depressing NAMALT/let men into girls' bedrooms where they sleep and change/men will leave teaching if they're not allowed to behave inappropriately or invade girls' privacy and we can't have that/ he's passed a DBS check so he's a saint, fest.

Very depressing.

This man, in this instance, was probably no threat to the girls, but others may be; and we need to lay down standards and have safeguards in place to create a culture of safety to protect girls and boys, so that rules are clear and not broken. Lax practices allow sexual predators to take advantage.

Those mums that put the safety of their children before maybe upsetting an adult especially a male adult

what awful women 🙄

And you’re one of ‘those’ posters for sure. HTH.

Oh god I know right. They're so old school. Every adult should be free to express themselves through the medium of interpretive safeguarding breaches at any time, right?

Is the OP ever coming back...? I would like to add this: it's not that all males are pervs but I think some will be exactly that, that's why rules exist, not because the worst is going to happen but because it might happen. Good rules are there to mitigate risks, to dimish and bring the risk down to zero, where possible, therefore preventing bad things from happening.
This teacher might be a perfectly normal person but the next one to come may not, that's why all should follow strict rules. Rules are for all, not for some, they are in place for the greater good, and, in this case, no teacher's are allowed to grant themselves permission to break them. This isn't normal, the same way a female teacher should not walk into a male bathroom with a bunch of male pupils having a wee in urinals.

Oh god I know right. They're so old school. Every adult should be free to express themselves through the medium of interpretive safeguarding breaches at any time, right?

Unless they are predatory lesbians, who we all know, despite all evidence to the contrary,are just as bad as all those penis owning people

So then ban all men from roles where they can be near children

We don’t need to ban all men from roles where they’re near children. We simply need to implement SAFEGUARDING guidelines.

Safeguarding guidelines, which the male teacher in question is not following. And is therefore a red flag.

Safeguarding guidelines which many on this thread don’t seem to care about if it risks upsetting a male.

Do you truely believe from the OPs post that you have heard enough to condemn this man as basically a wannabe or actual sex offender?

Why are you considering this as the only option?

The preferable outcome would be that his superior has a word with him about not following safeguarding and he tightens up - for his own protection as well as the girls’. It will also let him know that people have noticed and are on to him, if his intentions are more sinister.

End of discussion as far as I am concerned.

Yeah I still can't help thinking a proper end to the discussion you started here, would have been to answer the bloody question.

How did he wake them up? Did he knock at the door and announce himself before entering for example, or did he just barge straight in?

You were determined to ignore this, so the thread is pretty pointless.

And yet women/females object to being pigeonholed into yesteryear's female-orientated professions/jobs, whilst it's statistically significant that these jobs such as teaching, nursing, caring have, until now, offered lower rates of pay to the traditionally male-dominated roles such as refuse collection, highways and landscaping?

If you wan't to 'level up', then accept equality works both ways and stop reaching for the smelling salts if a man/men enter the traditional female jobs. Nursing has made a lot of ground with male nurses being more widely accepted but too many sectors are still entrenched in old gender-orientated views.

It follows that the more men that enter these roles, the wages and job t&c's improve for all.

As an aside, would anyone care to offer an explanation as to why more males have more School Leadership jobs even though there are more female teachers? I'm sure it's not because men are better at it, just that they don't have to modify their career aspirations as much as women still do once the men/women start their own families.

Anyone else?

This is mentioned upthread, but to make the point again, if this man - their teacher - just blundered thoughtlessly into a room of sleeping girls to wake them up, with no mind whatsoever about the fact that they might be undressed, half-dressed, whatever, then he is not an 'innocent, ' as his fan club on this thread would claim, he is a safeguarding risk.

If he deliberately walked into a room of sleeping girls, knowing full well that they might be undressed, half-dressed, whatever, in order to flex his authority and get a perverse pleasure from 'catching them by surprise,' then he's a safeguarding risk. And then some.

Girls need to feel safe in that environment. His actions undermined that, and I suspect it was deliberate.

And to those posters bleating about 'hurting his feelings,' and so on, it's profoundly depressing to think there's yet another generation of girls being brought up to consider the man's feelings first, to suppress their discomfort, to accept the dominance of the male gaze in all its forms.

Get a grip and a life op.jezus... You are one of "those " mums for sure

Does any of this, the serious safeguarding issues that posters have shone a light on mean anything to you?

The OP has got a grip on this issue, thank goodness, for her DD's sake. Girls need parents who support them and embolden them to navigate issues like this. I feel desperately sorry for girls who are taught to just suck it up, 'cos that's just life, innit?