Should a male teacher have done this?

[mycatisannoying]

During a residential school trip, enter a girls' shared dorm to wake them up?
To my mind it's a safeguarding issue, and there was also a female teacher on the trip who could have done it.
I wanted to seek others' opinions before raising it.
Thanks.

Its a while since ours were at primary (or school) it'll be the grand children next.

Their primary had no male teachers and when they went to secondary there were a few but mainly in the STEM area.

Yes, you do know that the teacher went into the room. It’s the very first sentence of the OP:

”During a residential school trip, enter a girls' shared dorm to wake them up?”

I think you're letting one incident cloud your judgement of the other.It's a fairly low blow to be displeased with a teacher and reinforce it with a safeguarding query.

As both a teacher and a parent of teens, I am disgusted at the way "paedo" and "rapist" are used by pupils to generally insult a male teacher they don't like. I call it out every time.

Christ, teachers can't do right for doing wrong, can they? As long as he just went in, stuck the lights on & told them to get up, then it's fine. Let's remember he's away from his own family on a school residential trip & getting no additional pay for all the extra hours & being in the role of 'surrogate parent' 24/7. Are you outraged that the female teacher probably woke the boys up?

I'm a female teacher & had no choice but to supervise the boys changing rooms at swimming this week as we had no male teachers available. Should I not have done? That would have meant they couldn't go at all. How is a man with girls so much worse than a woman with boys?

All teachers are DBS checked & hate being in these kinds of positions but nearly always have no choice.

Sounds a bit like you already don't like this guy due to the phone incident with your daughter & this has sent you over the edge of common sense & reason.

And here we have it. The reason why many teachers will stop taking students on residential trips - such a shame as the kids get so much out of them. They are exhausting and the worry that someone is staying in the wings waiting to complain ,or even worse make potentially career threatening allegations, mean that taking students out of school is just too much of a risk.

If the two examples given are of his judgment being a bit 'off' at times then the OP is really clutching at straws. If I was a teacher who had any contact at all with this student I would be watching my back.

OP you really do come across as being desperate for something to get this member of staff into trouble.

This is career and life changing issues that you are alleging

No, it's really not. OP's DD isn't alleging abuse, she's alleging a situation which made her uncomfortable.

Safe-guarding-training-attendance and change-the-policy inducing- yes. But neither career or life-changing.

Poor teachers nowadays. They can't do anything right can they?
It wouldn't bother me a jot.

The teachers on this thread are all saying the same thing. It was inappropriate behaviour; safeguarding training clearly sets out best practice; this man would have known his behaviour was unacceptable.

Not "likely" most definitely DBS checked! (To be fair, I think that was your point)
He'll also have had safeguarding training and know the consequences for any breach.

unless he is a bad apple of course (statistically unlikely, but possible) in which case if abuse is prevented then it could be life-changing in a positive way for the girl(s) who avoids sexual abuse.

You think his behaviour has been entirely appropriate. I don't. It's simply not normal for a teacher to encourage others to snitch on a classmate who has done nothing wrong. And the code word, WTF?

If he thought she was misbehaving, asking other children is fine - but if the others say no, then he should accept that.

This "code word" stuff is unpleasant - possibly even disturbing - it's forming a secret alliance, and even if nothing sinister is intended, it's very inappropriate - it leaves kids vulnerable.

The previous example you gave of making ‘off judgments’ doesn’t relate to this current situation
If he knocked and then opened the door and called in because there was no response, I don’t think that’s unacceptable, if you feel it’s an issue, then either send an email to the HT, or go in and speak to them.

Except Ian Huntley worked at a school and still was a murderer people should have long memories when it comes to this behaviour the school needs to tighten up their procedures to protect their staff and children

Not checked. That's when they introduced the checks.

I imagine he stood at the open door to wake them.

Why are you 'imagining' this, when the OP stated in the very first line of her opening post that he entered the room, and in a later posts that her young daughter was uncomfortable with him entering the room of girls.

Ian Huntley was the very reason enhanced checks were introduced. everyone working in schools is police checked - they cannot be left unsupervised with students without one.

You wouldn't be asking this if a female teacher had woken your DS up

No, I doubt she would.

But can you think why that might be?

Yes, it's collusion with students and he can get into trouble for that.

PAFMO

I'm not running the safeguarding course today. I am next Friday though. I could point you to some links if you want to read the stats?

The problem with citing statistics is that they’re 99% wrong at least 50% of the time.

I’ve found published credible government figures refuting yours by a significant margin. But hey, I’m happy to keep common misconceptions alive.

We don't even know if he entered the room.

Can no-one on this thread read?!?

Boom. Well said

Of course it’s inappropriate

I have worked in residential care I have never and would never go in to a boys room to wake them up. If there were concerns two members of staff would go in

trying to catch someone out is a common action foe those who push boundaries

Except Ian Huntley is the reason for the level of background checks now done on people working with children. Obviously, murderers and rapists still exist in all walks of life, but waking a group of female children up on a residential trip is still not necessarily a safeguarding issue. Someone has to ensure the children are awake.

No. Do you expect him to use a megaphone outside the door? I don't think it's.possible for a male teacher to go and assault a girl in front of a whole dorm of them while waking them up. I really feel for male teachers who are scared for being disciplined for things as simple as this.