To think if an employee got a blow job at work from girlfriend they'd be sacked....

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You'd think....

For months when I've heard Boris Johnson's name I have started singing "It wasn't me" by Shaggy not realising how apt the song is.

Now when I hear both of them I can only think of "Barbra Streisand" by Duck Sauce.

I see the MN thread about the latest allegations about BloJo - BloDry - has been deleted. Anyone see the message?

Also, even you didn’t think Boris was a halfwit excuse for a politician and voted for him because he seemed like a good bloke, How, HOW could you still think that?

He’s misogyny personified. If I had two pennies to rub together, I’d subscribe to PE in support.

I want very much to Take Action. Only I’ve no idea what. This isn’t just politics. It’s dehumanising.

Oh yes, they were caught... well and truly

She didn't swallow....

Give head, if you want to get ahead...

twitter.com/jep_miner1/status/1542979510345293827?s=21&t=i8o4LBGsLSnEPMl4PqTgGw

remember the Dirty Dossiers? (TBF Rory Stewarts aide strongly denied anything inappropriate and other relationships entirely consensual)

twitter.com/jep_miner1/status/1542979510345293827?s=21&t=i8o4LBGsLSnEPMl4PqTgGw

Hmm

The old cliche is that Tory politicians always have sex scandals whereas Labour politicians always have financial scandals. Hence the joke about John Prescott being New Labour and combining sexual and financial misconduct.

Anyway the cliche is wrong and there are plenty of left wing politicians who have had sex scandals associated with them.

Mike Hill, MP for Hartlepool
John Woodcock, MP for Barrow and Furness
Ivan Lewis, MP for Bury South
David Prescott, aide to Jeremy Corbyn (like father like son)

Interesting...

I wrote a long post and lost it. One of the 4 Labour MPs listed... he made a bad taste joke and retracted it, and I really had to hunt to find that.

The rest of them were suspended immediately and are historic cases.

Whereas...
Just THIS YEAR... the tory party is mired in sleaze and sexual allegations, rape, prison and watching porn in HoC

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/chris-pincher-resigns-all-the-sex-scandals-involving-tory-mps-this-year_uk_62beb0fce4b065b10ad2ddbd

There is no comparison

Six new claims of inappropriate behaviour by former Conservative deputy chief whip Chris Pincher MP have emerged, days after he was suspended from the party for allegedly groping two men. The allegations stretch back more than a decade.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62025612

The people of Tamworth deserve so much more than this. How is any constituent going to feel confident or safe to bring their issues to the MP when they know he has form for sexually motivated behaviour at work? Pincher says he has no intention of resigning as an MP! What? He’s simply sitting as an Independent while they investigate this latest case..

BBC report one of the MPs contacted Downing Street in February with details of what he said had happened to him and voiced his concerns that Mr Pincher might be made a party whip, in charge of the discipline and welfare of other MPs. BBC also report:Mr Pincher previously stood down from the whips' office in 2017, when he was accused of making an unwanted pass at former Olympic rower and Conservative activist Alex Story. But after an investigation by the party, he was cleared of any breach of its code of conduct.’

As a normal voting member of the public sick of Tory entitlement and corruption, I would suggest

1. Downing St cannot possibly deny hearing of this stuff previously, and expect us to believe them. Even just the one reported instance this week is plenty to sack him: It doesn’t make it better if he was blind drunk or not at the time of allegedly groping two men. Being drunk is not a legal or moral defence to harming others, They’ve rightly removed the whip from Pincher (so he’s not in the Party) and he had this week resigned as Deputy Chief Whip so was not in charge of MP’s welfare and discipline any more. Good. But why’s it ok got him to stay as an MP?

If MPs don’t deserve to have a person like Pincher in charge of their welfare, why should his constituents?! What about constituents’ welfare, how can they trust their MP to act on that? And what about security and corruption risks this guy is creating- by having an MP with secrets, MPs become easily blackmail- able. It’s not acceptable risk.

This is the exact same problem as with Blojo. Behaviour of people with power and responsibilities over others must be responsible, they must be far above doing anything illegal or immoral that they’ve can be blackmailed over. Is that really so difficult for people to do? Why was this guy with his questioned history given such important responsibility in the first place?

2. The Conservative Party must clean up their own act urgently as a source of party discipline. They should very urgently work with sexual harassment, bullying, sexual assault and rape charities to review their Code of Conduct. They need to be seen to actively try to stop abuse in political sector and to actively try to weed out people who are reported to them to act abusively.

But why’s it ok got him to stay as an MP?

The same reason as a Tory MP arrested in May on suspicion of rape and sexual assault, abuse and misconduct in public office, and told to stay away from Parliament but still entitled to vote.
I suppose it's the parliamentary version of gardening leave?

Therese Coffey on Raworth now excusing all this garbage. Not BJs fault etc. She's embarrassed, blushing furiously and faffing away. Unfortunately she was preceded by Andy Burnham, a conviction politician through and through. More Burnham, fewer apologists for the gangsters in No 10 please.

She's embarrassed, blushing furiously and faffing away

Faff and bluster is her speciality.

I bet it tastes like vinegar

I don’t get it though seriously. Removing the whip from Pincher might damage an MP’s reputation in Westminster among peers and hopefully inflict shame. But they’re still an MP with all the usual MP responsibilities ongoing. And withdrawing the whip also removes them from the party machine and responsibility and support. Which could serve to safeguard constituents compared to it not being there.

Nobody voted for an MP who’s had the whip withdrawn to stand as an independent, so how does that system really work for constituents as a protection? Is there a time limit for how long an MP can continue to sit with the whip withdrawn?

And as for the ‘gardening leave’ I don’t know how that works at all in the situation that it’s being used in- so an MP accused of rape with a police investigation ongoing still gets to vote, ie be useful for the Conservative party. But they don’t get to come to Westminster (ie remind people of their existence and possibly protect Westminster peers from any harm). That seems completely inadequate. Again, what about the constituents- how can there be a proper, trustworthy relationship with an MP accused of those awful crimes?

I’m beginning to think there should be an arrangement where MPs being investigated for serious crimes just don’t work as MPs until it is resolved so their vote is lost to the party. And that their party are financially billed for the extra costs of requiring another backbench MP/s from the same party (if there is one) to supervise the work of the constituency team of the accused MP, until the matter is resolved either way.

That would be unpopular enough within the Westminster community to be a bit more of a deterrent, maybe? The problem is that these entitled Conservative male MPs don’t give a shit about ordinary people or the law. They think they’re above all that and that the laws they put in don’t (or certainly shouldn’t) apply to themselves.

So agree with how it SHOULD be investigated.

How can an MP who is on police bail for rape and sexual assault of a teenager still vote? And get paid?
Well...he can.

Exactly. I think the party rules aren’t fit for purpose because they rely on people doing the right thing and resigning off their own bat as an MP. The rules don’t seem properly built to handle shamelessness.

So the problem with having the current law breaking morally incontinent PM Boris Johnson just carrying on regardless is that he has no moral authority remaining. And so the MPs around him can do whatever they want and act in the same way as he does. Former Tory Prime Ministers like Theresa May or even David Cameron or John Major would have the moral authority to draw a line and say absolutely not.

And in turn, the example and message that Boris Johnson and these various MPs are giving to everyone in society about how to handle responsibility is completely vile. And in a time of crisis- like around pandemic rules- we really don’t need large proportions of the population saying (quite reasonably) that they won’t bother with the rules if their political representatives who set them aren’t going to bother.

Chris Pincher suspension: Boris Johnson unaware of specific claims - minister
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62029881

This MP hasn’t resigned and it feels like Boris Johnson’s position seems to be that it’s fine to give a position of responsibility to this guy because there were only years of non specific questions around his conduct that didn’t result in formal charges being pressed.
Even though not pressing charges is very typical in situations where the power dynamic is very unequal between the abuser and the victim and would be a very understandable response from a victim.

It's absolutely astonishing how much that goes on in his party, his office and his house that Boris is unaware of. He was oblivious to all those parties despite being at several of them, he didn't know about Pincher's proclivities despite Cummings being quite clear that he was told, he didn't know that the oven-ready deal he signed wasn't oven-ready at all. It's a shame that a basic knowledge of morality has passed him by, too.

Agreed Amaryllis, one might suspect a cognitive disorder such is the level of his unknowing. My family would be calling in a GP if I was even half as unaware as he purports to be.

someone knew. And stayed. Bells are ringing. Worst nightmare ever. Pranking me?