Sick of the push for Scottish independence

[ThisKiltIsMadeForWalking]

I keep seeing on the news that Nicola Sturgeon is pushing for another referendum and I just don’t get it. If she doesn’t get the answer she wants this time can she push for another in a few years? I just find it disgusting that half the country are struggling badly for things like food/electricity/petrol and she wants to spend millions pushing for something that she wants, that the majority voted against a few years ago? Am I missing something?

That was not skewing the vote. The people resident in Scotland were those who could vote i.e. those most affected.

To address the idea that MN is anti SNP, perhaps it’s because in real life many Nationalists aren’t particularly tolerant of people with a different point of view.
What is robust political debate for some, is unpleasant and intimidating to others.

@ScarletTulips you call this robust political debate? I do not.
A load of disingenuousness, untruths, insults, and whataboutery, in amongst the tiny bit of proper debate.
Unfortunately, it simply encourages people to vote based on their hearts rather than facts. I do not think this is a good basis to vote. But I think it will still lead to an independent vote.
Most people in MN seem to have little understanding of Scotland or the mood of most people.
It reminds me of Brexit when a friend in England said she knew it was going to be a leave vote as too many people were angry at being ignored by the government.

As am English woman living in Scotland, and have done for many years, some of these posts are hate filled tripe and some are borderline racism.
Accusations of NS or people supporting Independence being anti English are clap trap. Yes there are a minority of course, but I hear more anti Scots abuse when I go back down South than I ever hear up here.
She's not always my favorite person, but I'm not voting for her or the SNP. I doubt very much that she would be in power post referendum anyway.

If you choose Scotland to be your home, that's the criteria to vote. If you chose to make your home somewhere else, then IMO shouldn't have a say.

I really don't hear much talk about Independence on a day to day basis here among people. Tories and Labour and the media seem to talk about it a lot though.

Expect anyone living here will need a tinfoil hat till October 2023, as the anti Scots stuff will be in overload.

@antelopevalley you’re correct the standard of debate isn’t particularly high calibre.
The fact is that nobody can say categorically on either side of the debate what the economic impact of Scottish independence will be and for how long the repercussions will last.
It’s all whataboutery.
What I can look at is the direction of travel and the track record of the SNP and I don’t like it.
Nicola Sturgeon and her ministers will be responsible for the process and I don’t believe she is competent to do so.

@Pugdogmom I agree the anti-Scots stuff from the English seems to really ramp up anytime there is talk of independence. Often the assumption seems to be we are all thickos.
And of course people living in Scotland should be the ones voting. It is about people having a say over their own lives.

@Whoopsmahoot your point about the SNPs ability to run a government is well made, though they are nowhere near as bad as the Westminster government.

I think the chances of independence will be reduced if there is a referendum in 2023. If it was really once in a generation (say 2034) then the chances will be higher.

@ScarletTulips The best analysis I have read predicts that after independence and under the current party, nothing much will change economically. So neither better nor worse. That is good enough for me. It gives the opportunity to make things much better in the future.

You mean like they do for all ex-pats across the world who have paid in to the system?

Anyway...the outcome of Sturgeon's press conference today was to say that she is asking the Lord Advocate to refer the legislation that will be passed by the Scottish Government on a new independence referendum in October 2023 to the Supreme Court.

This isn't particularly ingenious, since the Supreme Court has the power to call in Scottish legislation to check its legality anyway (and in fact it did so and was heavily critical of the lack of detail and ultra vires nature of two pieces of SG legislation last year).

I'm wondering whether Sturgeon will then use the decision of the Supreme Court, should it go against the SG, to challenge the right to call in legislation or the independence of the Supreme Court and in that way interfere with the appointment of judges. The Scottish legal system is quite robust at present...

I’ve heard lots of anti English stuff over the years often disguised as a ‘wee joke’.
Not so funny when it’s Scots on the receiving end, I note.
None of it is acceptable, of course.

This thread is a microcosm of what life in Scotland is going to be like for the next 16 months. Can’t wait 🙄

@antelopevalley where did you read that?
The SNP manual of wishful thinking ?!

YANBU she is ruining the country and her supporters are wanting us to sleep walk into oblivion. Hate it hate it hate it

Must be the back of the fag packet they’ve done all their calculations on!

Auntybusybody1, I don't think the UK Govt do pay out to people who've paid in and are no longer living in the UK (if you're talking about OAP) - we have family in Australia who earned over here for years but aren't entitled. It's changed over the years and possibly depends on reciprocity arrangements.

"The fact is that nobody can say categorically on either side of the debate what the economic impact of Scottish independence will be and for how long the repercussions will last"

Since when does that matter? The arguments for Brexit weren't exactly a balanced discussion of the facts/ economic impact was it? It mostly came down to project fear Vs take back control, with plenty of lies, half truths and rhetoric.

Not sure why Scotland should be held to a higher standard

I was wondering about the legal side of it

This kind of thinking is what frightens me. That someone thinks the situation of a country splitting is akin to becoming an ex-pat. It couldn’t be more different, but people actually truly think this, 🤯

Brexit was bad enough and it’s still on going. This will take years if it happens - nightmare.

I think both Scotland and brexit should have been a 60% to 40% win with the requirement for anything closer to stay as is and retest in 10 years time. It would mean that it can be timed around general elections etc and means we test until we have a decisive outcome.

I think both Scotland and brexit should have been a 60% to 40% win with the requirement for anything closer to stay as is and retest in 10 years time. It would mean that it can be timed around general elections etc and means we test until we have a decisive outcome either way the vote went.

The relevant part of your response is "if..". There is very poor understanding in a lot of the rest of the UK about Scotland's economy, i.e. it's all tourism and och aye the noo nonsense. I repeat what I said - if Scotland was such a liability, the Westminster Government would have no problem with independence. We all know that's not the case. I agree with another poster who said the UK is in decline. Scotland is, and always has been, a fundamentally socialist country, hence the reason the Tories have never been welcome. I don't want to live in a UK which votes to leave Europe, which is increasingly xenophobic and has an "I'm alright Jack, fuck everyone else" mentality. I'll happily take my chances in an independent Scotland.

Scotland is, and always has been, a fundamentally socialist country, hence the reason the Tories have never been welcome

This actually isn't true. The Tories used to be pretty popular in Scotland. Margaret Thatcher saw to that though.

Sorry she saw to that not being the case anymore! She was definitely not responsible for any popularity !!!!