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To teach my 12 year old how to count calories as well as teaching what a balanced meal means

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Wills · 27/06/2022 20:00

Firstly to those mums who want to shout before reading what I’m saying please note I’ll ignore your posts. I wouldn’t post on an AIBU unless I was really worried what I feel I’m about to do and hope that between me, and Mumsnetters that don’t shout, that there is an alternative out there and am hoping some Mumsnetter/s have solutions I don’t have.

My DD (aged 12) is the youngest of 4. All of us have struggled with weight (including myself and my mother) but I have made it ONE of my mothering focus points (amongst other things) to teach my children what a balanced and healthy diet looks like. All my kids have struggled with their weight but with guidance have sort of come round. Once they’re post 18 I feel its their decision to be who they want to be, but (and sometimes this is unasked of) try to guide their decisions to healthy eating - my point being that its fine for them to be ‘large’ but I always stress a balanced diet and healthy exercise routine.

However, in the last year DD3 (4th child) has gone from an age 12/13 age child clothes to an adult size 14 and in certain skinnier shops 16. All my normal coping strategies have failed. She’s like a heat seeking missile for sugar. I rarely buy biscuits/sweets/cake (for 2 years now) and before she was born, given my other children’s fight with weight have given up my love of baking. So there are no typical biscuits/sweets etc as a norm in the house (which my other kids complain about - but what do I do? If I bring in anything sugary she finds it - including under my bed (HOW - does she have a sugar sensitive nose FFS). Sorry about the swearing but I do feel she’s exceptional.

So just over a year ago she had a wonderful bonding experience with her granny (Their grandad is dying with dementia - to be blunt I didn’t think he’d still be alive when I last saw him at Xmas/Easter). They put together a raspberry crumble including oats. As ‘treats’ come this seemed like something that was wonderful for her to learn.

Fast forward - so I have stopped buying ‘snacks’, biscuits, puddings - in fact anything that might represent a treat (feel like the grinch). But DD3 is really intelligent/clever! For the last 9 months I daren’t have sugar or flour and butter in the house! If I do she gets up at 5.00am in the morning and puts together a crumble mix that would feed (with fruit) four people and then eats it for breakfast. I’ve stopped buying sugar and flour, which was fine when 2 of my kids where at Uni, but they’ve come home and bought the stuff themselves and get upset when its gone in the morning.

I try to punish but 3 out of 4 of my kids are autistic spectrum. My youngest is not. I can see the elements of spectrum that she shows but I do believe most of her behaviour is learnt.

So… Please help me. I’m very aware that just being aware of calories is shortsighted. So just teaching her to calorie count is crap, but if coupled with an emphasis on what represent’s a balanced diet - what else can I do.

To give an example…. She ate 3 full fat sesame bagels for breakfast. How do I tell her this is unreasonable without her screeching at me that I’m calling her fat.

Hope you see my difficulties.

REally really need some guidance as have run out of ideas!

OP posts:
beautyisthefaceisee · 27/06/2022 20:47

Do not punish for eating.
Do not punish for eating.
do not punish for eating.

Ad nauseum.

Oblomov22 · 27/06/2022 20:47

3 bagels is binge eating. Ds1 was consuming lots of calories for boxing, 3000-5000 (rowers need 6000), but even he doesn't eat 3 bagels. So don't start calorie counting because she's already got an eating issue.

Meadowbreeze · 27/06/2022 20:47

You've given your kid an eating disorder. It's not normal to not buy sugar or flour. You've not taught your child a healthy balance from pre birth, what makes you think they'll just wake up one day and know. They've had a lovely experience making something and now want to replicate it, I'm not surprised. 3 bagels is not excessive for a growing teen. I want to give your daughter a hug and bake some bread with her.

Doloresabernathy1 · 27/06/2022 20:48

There is increasing evidence that autism and adhd are connected to eating disorders, anorexia and binge eating disorder.

That fact that all of your children have grown up with issues with food suggest that there's more going on here than people being greedy

beautyisthefaceisee · 27/06/2022 20:48

Also -

my mother made me sit at the table and eat cold food when i was younger. It's now put me off that particular food for life. She also banned fizzy drinks and mcdonalds. Both me and my brother went bonkers on them at uni.

Meadowbreeze · 27/06/2022 20:48

@Oblomov22 really? 3 bagels is a big breakfast but by no means excessive for a teen. At least not the teens I know.

beautyisthefaceisee · 27/06/2022 20:49

NoSquirrels · 27/06/2022 20:26

You’re describing emotional eating, binge eating.

She knows full well 3 bagels is not a normal amount without you counting calories with her. She already thinks she’s so fat you don’t love her when you bring it up. She associates the crumble mix with love.

At 12 her hormones are off the charts and puberty is a really physical thing. Sugar cravings are intense. She’s still got growing upwards to do too.

Bingo.

She makes the crumble mix because its what she associates with a happyy time.

I was obsessed with cheese as a wean because my gran used to make me cheese and biscuits and let me eat in front of the telly.

dolly12345 · 27/06/2022 20:50

I have a thoroughly messed up relationship with food and I honestly think it's because my mum talked endlessly about dieting and restriction when I was a kid/teen. I ate to piss her off, and show I was in control of my own body. I'd back right off.

NanFlanders · 27/06/2022 20:50

Please, please don't. My DD became obsessed with calorie counting on MyFitnessPal. It spiralled from 1800 per day, to 1500, to 1200. She eventually ended up with full-blown anorexia and a struggling in heart. Give her loads of fruit, veg and protein. If you suspect she has a binge eating disorder, try the BEAT website.

beautyisthefaceisee · 27/06/2022 20:52

NanFlanders · 27/06/2022 20:50

Please, please don't. My DD became obsessed with calorie counting on MyFitnessPal. It spiralled from 1800 per day, to 1500, to 1200. She eventually ended up with full-blown anorexia and a struggling in heart. Give her loads of fruit, veg and protein. If you suspect she has a binge eating disorder, try the BEAT website.

My fitness pal is a load of nonsense. It purely counts calories. I did a bootcamp once and as I'd agreed to be honest, i once logged that I'd had a chippy and half a bottle of gin. It was happy with me, and praised me - yet the next again day when I had the right things but went over because of a 25g protein yoghurt, it gave me a red mark.

beautyisthefaceisee · 27/06/2022 20:54

Wills · 27/06/2022 20:00

Firstly to those mums who want to shout before reading what I’m saying please note I’ll ignore your posts. I wouldn’t post on an AIBU unless I was really worried what I feel I’m about to do and hope that between me, and Mumsnetters that don’t shout, that there is an alternative out there and am hoping some Mumsnetter/s have solutions I don’t have.

My DD (aged 12) is the youngest of 4. All of us have struggled with weight (including myself and my mother) but I have made it ONE of my mothering focus points (amongst other things) to teach my children what a balanced and healthy diet looks like. All my kids have struggled with their weight but with guidance have sort of come round. Once they’re post 18 I feel its their decision to be who they want to be, but (and sometimes this is unasked of) try to guide their decisions to healthy eating - my point being that its fine for them to be ‘large’ but I always stress a balanced diet and healthy exercise routine.

However, in the last year DD3 (4th child) has gone from an age 12/13 age child clothes to an adult size 14 and in certain skinnier shops 16. All my normal coping strategies have failed. She’s like a heat seeking missile for sugar. I rarely buy biscuits/sweets/cake (for 2 years now) and before she was born, given my other children’s fight with weight have given up my love of baking. So there are no typical biscuits/sweets etc as a norm in the house (which my other kids complain about - but what do I do? If I bring in anything sugary she finds it - including under my bed (HOW - does she have a sugar sensitive nose FFS). Sorry about the swearing but I do feel she’s exceptional.

So just over a year ago she had a wonderful bonding experience with her granny (Their grandad is dying with dementia - to be blunt I didn’t think he’d still be alive when I last saw him at Xmas/Easter). They put together a raspberry crumble including oats. As ‘treats’ come this seemed like something that was wonderful for her to learn.

Fast forward - so I have stopped buying ‘snacks’, biscuits, puddings - in fact anything that might represent a treat (feel like the grinch). But DD3 is really intelligent/clever! For the last 9 months I daren’t have sugar or flour and butter in the house! If I do she gets up at 5.00am in the morning and puts together a crumble mix that would feed (with fruit) four people and then eats it for breakfast. I’ve stopped buying sugar and flour, which was fine when 2 of my kids where at Uni, but they’ve come home and bought the stuff themselves and get upset when its gone in the morning.

I try to punish but 3 out of 4 of my kids are autistic spectrum. My youngest is not. I can see the elements of spectrum that she shows but I do believe most of her behaviour is learnt.

So… Please help me. I’m very aware that just being aware of calories is shortsighted. So just teaching her to calorie count is crap, but if coupled with an emphasis on what represent’s a balanced diet - what else can I do.

To give an example…. She ate 3 full fat sesame bagels for breakfast. How do I tell her this is unreasonable without her screeching at me that I’m calling her fat.

Hope you see my difficulties.

REally really need some guidance as have run out of ideas!

Sorry OP, i've just read her weight gain. Are you SURE nothing medical is at play? that is one hell of a gain.

Wills · 27/06/2022 20:54

Finfintytint · 27/06/2022 20:07

Think I’d be blunt and let her know she is eating far too much sugar and fat. She’s old enough to see the connection without pussyfooting around potential eating disorders.

I’ve gently tried. Its a tough issue to raise because the first thing most tweens are taught is that this is accusing them of being ‘fat’. I’ve tried, but each time I try she shouts at me that I’m fat shaming her. I’m not. I want her to be healthy, but still believe the sun shines out of her ‘@$£’. I don’t want her to be ‘thin’, I want her to be healthy. Being the last child for four she has sooooo many arguments that she’s heard her siblings scold me with. I understand being overweight. I’ve struggled myself and continue to struggle. I’m a size 12, but am currently heading towards a size 14. This is NOT a major sin - size 14 is wonderful compared to the size I went through late teens early 20s. But I know from experience that 12 turns into 22 without a lot of thought!

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MargheritaAndMargaritaPlease · 27/06/2022 20:55

I also think this sounds like disordered eating. Good luck getting a doctor to take it seriously though if she isn't skinny!

The worst thing I personally think you can do when someone is binging is to heavily restrict food.

NoSquirrels · 27/06/2022 20:56

Is she active?

Wills · 27/06/2022 20:57

gjtage · 27/06/2022 20:09

She ate 3 full fat sesame bagels for breakfast.

What's a full fat bagel? Will teaching her about calories help? Not having butter or sugar in the house seems extreme & won't it push her towards it instead. Does she do any exercise/sport?

She does loads of sport, BUT, all the other kids who do sport are classic skinny (I’d love to say bitches here but actually they’re great kids and that would be horrible to call them - all I can say is that I understand what its like to be the non sporty/fat child - that said I was soooo more sport than her. I think she’s kinda given up sports cos most of the others are high achievers and very skinny).

OP posts:
ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 27/06/2022 20:58

Why on Earth are you teaching a 12 year old about calories?!

And not buying butter or flour?! What do you bloody eat?

Id buy in a few treats. She’ll go mad at first, but then might calm down.

l think you need to re-educate her that food can be fun and sweet and enjoyable. When she learns that she might calm down

beastlyslumber · 27/06/2022 20:58

It does sound like binge eating disorder, OP. You mentioned autism - could she have ADHD? People with ADHD often have a lot of dopamine-seeking behaviours and are vulnerable to addiction.

I think she probably needs some mental health support, maybe look into ADHD as well. But in the meantime, you could read up a bit on BED and see if you think it fits. Brain Over Binge is a really good resource and there are some good podcasts and videos on youtube as well.

gwenneh · 27/06/2022 20:59

Wills · 27/06/2022 20:57

She does loads of sport, BUT, all the other kids who do sport are classic skinny (I’d love to say bitches here but actually they’re great kids and that would be horrible to call them - all I can say is that I understand what its like to be the non sporty/fat child - that said I was soooo more sport than her. I think she’s kinda given up sports cos most of the others are high achievers and very skinny).

How much sport do you think it would take to offset the consumption of three full bagels, and that was just breakfast?

usethedata · 27/06/2022 21:00

I would really really recommend contacting rebelfit. Super helpful in understanding relationships with food.

Wills · 27/06/2022 21:01

beautyisthefaceisee · 27/06/2022 20:47

Do not punish for eating.
Do not punish for eating.
do not punish for eating.

Ad nauseum.

Could not agree more! But when you’re in charge of a child that is seriously overeating, what would you do. I’ve not punished her at all. I’ve removed all biscuits and stopped making cakes. Next??? Like I said in my original post are you suggesting that removing butter/sugar/flour from the house is the next step? For those parents without children with eating difficulties the solution seems so easy. But I’m a parent who has had to learn to change my eating - pre children my dh was diagnosed with an illness where I had nothing I could do apart from looking at what we ate. A long time before we had children we lost weight and understood what putting together a balanced meal meant. Then we had kids!

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NoSquirrels · 27/06/2022 21:02

So she does do lots of sport - what do you mean then that she’s ‘kind of given up’?

MargheritaAndMargaritaPlease · 27/06/2022 21:02

She does loads of sport...is she reasonably good at it? Or can she barely run a few feet?

Just as you said you "don't want her to be thin, you just want her to be healthy". I'll get screamed at by the usual weight obsessed people on here...but maybe she actually is fairly healthy? Just not thin.

Not saying feed her up forever more, but maybe just calm down about weight. Weight fluctuates all the time. It isn't permanent or a death sentence if she has gained weight.

Even using the accepted theory that thin is better, your plan to restrict food to stop her getting fat will likely backfire if she is already sneaking food.

SilverCatStripes · 27/06/2022 21:02

OP it sounds that there are lots of issues tied into weight and food in your house, I think you should approach your GP and ask for a referral to a dietitian, you may find that your DD is more receptive to diet advice from someone else, and it may help you as well because you have some very rigid and misguided ideas about food and nutrition.

MargheritaAndMargaritaPlease · 27/06/2022 21:03

Wills · 27/06/2022 21:01

Could not agree more! But when you’re in charge of a child that is seriously overeating, what would you do. I’ve not punished her at all. I’ve removed all biscuits and stopped making cakes. Next??? Like I said in my original post are you suggesting that removing butter/sugar/flour from the house is the next step? For those parents without children with eating difficulties the solution seems so easy. But I’m a parent who has had to learn to change my eating - pre children my dh was diagnosed with an illness where I had nothing I could do apart from looking at what we ate. A long time before we had children we lost weight and understood what putting together a balanced meal meant. Then we had kids!

You said in your op that you punished her actually

LemonSwan · 27/06/2022 21:03

Life is too short to eat bland food. What do you usually eat if no sugar butter etc. in the house?

Its funny because I used to mix sugar and butter and eat that straight.

Unfortunately the nicest things in life are either extremely unhealthy or extremely expensive.

Can you get her to develop tastes for really moreish things she can eat in abundance - like Melon and Parma ham, or tomato mozzarella salad covered in salt / pepper and olive oil, or smoked salmon on sourdough olive bread. These are all quite salt based but might retrain her to prefer savoury over sugar.

For sweeter things you could get - when I want a hit if sugar I love Greek style Yeo Valley with honey and then add more maple syrup on top (it’s like the healthier adult version of muller toffee corner) and find fruits she likes such as the mango box you can get on top shelf in Sainsbury’s.

She clearly likes eating. A lot of us do. She just needs to work out how she can eat a lot of delicious tasting things without it causing issues.

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